Ultimate Rescue Rick POV

LOL Then you need to show us the data. Welcome to medicine as a branch of science and not a form of mystical voodoo.

If you don't want to believe Bledsoe, how about taking a look at:
CODE 3 Responses


Merlin MA, Baldino KT, Lehrfeld DP, Linger M, Lustiger E, Cascio A, Ohman-Strickland P, Dossantos F. Use of a limited lights and siren protocol in the prehospital setting vs standard usage. Am J Emerg Med. 2011 May 11.
That study was not intended to look at how much time an emergent trip to the hospital saved, but (and actually more importantly, though in this setting not neccasarily applicable) if the patient fared better. Not suprisingly, there wasn't a lot of difference between the 2 groups. Of course, the average time saved, since this was based in several urban/suburban systems was not all that much either.

What almost every study that has been done shows, and continuies to show, is that emergent driving WILL save time, though with shorter distances not neccasarily a signifigant enough amount that will affect patient outcomes. How this affects those than actually can shave off 10+ minutes is debatable and as far as I know hasn't been looked at. It's also debatable if an emergent responce when the patient needs an intervention unavailable in the field makes a difference; one study does seem to indicate that it matters.

Bottom line: short trips...speed is less important than avoiding traffic, not having to come to full stops, and using a system like the opticom...long (quite long) trips...an increase in average speed and all of the above will save time, and perhaps a signififgant amount.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735675711000453 The study indicated in the above post.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196064495702679 Time is saved, but again, in an urban system where it isn't much, not worth it.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10903129908958920 Basically same as above, but slightly more time saved.

http://www.emsphysician1.com/media/files/emsp11.pdf Ditto, but does indicate that time saving IS important for interventions only found in-hospital.
 
I really could care less if someone spends a lot of money on lights, but this is crazy:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHkLn4gdzHM[/youtube]
ok, who took a video of my truck and put it up on youtube? and before you answer, no, I don't have a very small penis.

but in all honesty, I think that L&S are over used, but it's still hypocritical to say they shouldn't be on POV's that are responding to a station to respond on an emergency vehicle using L&S.

if lights save time, than by all means give them to everyone.

if lights don't save time, than lets stop using them for everyone, and even authorized emergency vehicles (fire trucks, ambulances, police cars (who are by far the worst offenders of speeding and driving like idiot, and have the crash stats to prove it), organ transplant crew, OEM, etc) should no longer respond to emergencies using L&S. Opticom yes, everything else no.

and i think the studies are based on solid research, but have yet to see PD and the FD changing their operations and response patters. maybe they know something we don't?
 
If you listen closely he has the car radio on.

I usually have the radio on while going code. As long as you can hear dispatch that's all my company really cares about. So we just make sure the dispatch radio is up louder then the music.
 
ummm, and???

he was responding to something, and some idiot on a motorcycle didn't see the truck in front of him had stopped/slowed down and crashed into it.

I've seen it happen when i was driving the ambulance, the vehicle operator wasn't paying attention, didn't see that the driver in front of him wasn't going, and rear ended him.

the driver wasn't breaking the dbl yellow line, wasn't driving erratically, he didn't pass in a no passing zone, and other than maybe speeding, he was driving in an emergency fasion.

the fault for this lies solely with the motorcycle operator for not paying attention to the other drivers around him, especially the vehicle in front of him who slowed down.
 
Ahhh, but, if the POV hadn't been driving "code" then the blue truck wouldn't have had to yield to him and the motorcycle wouldn't have crashed.

I agree, the motorcycle driver is responsible for the accident, but it was the needless POV response that set the chain of events into motion.
 
Ahhh, but, if the POV hadn't been driving "code" then the blue truck wouldn't have had to yield to him and the motorcycle wouldn't have crashed.

I agree, the motorcycle driver is responsible for the accident, but it was the needless POV response that set the chain of events into motion.

You sure you haven't been to law school?
 
Ahhh, but, if the POV hadn't been driving "code" then the blue truck wouldn't have had to yield to him and the motorcycle wouldn't have crashed.

I agree, the motorcycle driver is responsible for the accident, but it was the needless POV response that set the chain of events into motion.

It wasnt a POV tho. If you look at some of his other videos then you will see that it is an assistant chiefs car, with the fire department paint job on the sides and an actual lightbar.
 
It wasnt a POV tho. If you look at some of his other videos then you will see that it is an assistant chiefs car, with the fire department paint job on the sides and an actual lightbar.

You're right, I was making an incorrect assumption based on the topic of this thread. Additionally, the driver appeared to be quite competent and driving with appropriate due care and attention.

That still doesn't invalidate my comment though. If the fire truck wasn't running L/S the accident would likely not have happened.

You sure you haven't been to law school?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express a while back.
 
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You're right, I was making an incorrect assumption based on the topic of this thread. Additionally, the driver appeared to be quite competent and driving with appropriate due care and attention.

That still doesn't invalidate my comment though. If the fire truck wasn't running L/S the accident would likely not have happened.

Yes. But then again if the person on the motorcycle didn't go out that day then the accident would not have happened lol
 
Yes. But then again if the person on the motorcycle didn't go out that day then the accident would not have happened lol

And if no one had decided to be on the road that day the fire truck driver wouldn't have had to turn on his lights and sirens at all. :)
 
That video is to show that we shouldn't respond Code 3 to most calls. The dude was responding to a child lost in the woods behind their house. Call was cancelled a few moments after that accident.
 
And if no one had decided to be on the road that day the fire truck driver wouldn't have had to turn on his lights and sirens at all. :)

Depends on policy. We can only downgrade a response if weather conditions get extremely bad.
 
That video is to show that we shouldn't respond Code 3 to most calls. The dude was responding to a child lost in the woods behind their house. Call was cancelled a few moments after that accident.

This is exactly why lights and siren response should only be for time critical emergencies. Although the biker was to blame, this video demonstrates the risks running L&S poses on the crew and the public.

I can count on one hand the number of times I have run L&S to hospital in nearly 2 years.
 
I can't believe that there are places the go L&S to all jobs. That is patently absurd.

I think L&S have their place. Its silly to think of sitting and waiting at a red light for 2 mins on empty streets going to a cardiac arrest. But the way they're used in some places scares me.

We have a pretty good safety profile. Someone told me once that L&S driving is about jumping cues to avoid unnecessarily long waits, its not about speed. That's pretty much my approach.
 
I can't believe that there are places the go L&S to all jobs. That is patently absurd.

I think L&S have their place. Its silly to think of sitting and waiting at a red light for 2 mins on empty streets going to a cardiac arrest. But the way they're used in some places scares me.

We have a pretty good safety profile. Someone told me once that L&S driving is about jumping cues to avoid unnecessarily long waits, its not about speed. That's pretty much my approach.

That's my thought on it. Honestly. I think they should be only for time sensitive like you said, and to have opticom system setup where it just changes the lights to green in the way they want to go.
 
Is the light that triggers the opticom infrared? I'm thinking that one version of it was.

Maybe create a system where the opticom is either infrared or wireless, allowing the ambulance or other official vehicle to respond to lower priority calls w/o L&S but still trigger his light green for a faster response.
 
Is the light that triggers the opticom infrared? I'm thinking that one version of it was.

Maybe create a system where the opticom is either infrared or wireless, allowing the ambulance or other official vehicle to respond to lower priority calls w/o L&S but still trigger his light green for a faster response.

Mhmm. It's a white strobe at 70hz. They also have infared ones as well which what PD usually has.
 
Is the light that triggers the opticom infrared? I'm thinking that one version of it was.

Maybe create a system where the opticom is either infrared or wireless, allowing the ambulance or other official vehicle to respond to lower priority calls w/o L&S but still trigger his light green for a faster response.

My company used to have it to where you could turn the opticom on by itself. But everyone was using it on every single light even if they wernt on a call. Now it's set up to only be on when the code lights are. And once the ambulance is in park (even with code lights on) it turns the opticom off so a traffic light doesn't stay green forever.
 
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