"Your feeble skills are no match..."

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So during a break I was thinking...

A few years ago one of my coworkers, who was a medic for easily 2 decades longer than me, had to take a state test in order to get his EMS instructor certificate. Being very knowledgable, he did pass on the first try. But he admitted it was close.

That 2000 curriculum change had caught him rather off balance. He complained that a medic didn't need to know what medication to treat hyper K+ with or what the most likely symptom of an Fe overdose was.

A decade on, we have just instituted another major change. But this one is not only creating headaches for students, many instructors are finding themselves no longer up to the task of teaching the curriculum. (which was forseen)

During a teaching staff meeting late last year, one of the major issues was that EMT-B instructors who were not medics did not know acid/base balance themselves but were now expected to teach it. How were we going to schedule medic instructors to cover that material when the classes ran simultaneously?

For the last 2 years, the topic of "metabolic pathways" was witheld on the schedule to make sure I was available to teach it. I am the only medic instructor at the institution that understands it. The attempt to use a publisher made powerpoint on the topic had failed terribly.

Now it seems every EMS publisher has caught on to the need to create bullet point presentations to memorize on the new additions of basic science.

Except science doesn't work like that.

You cannot make it an order of operation to perform or a list to be memorized.

As such, many students are suffering because of the lack of instructor knowledge all over the US.

Simply having experience working in the field is no longer sufficent to teach.

I can't help but wonder if the rash of students needing to retake registry multiple times is because instructors are trying to cram in as many disconjoined medical facts as possible into students and hoping it will have the same positive outcome on a test as drilling psychomotor skills in lab for practical tests.

Now consider the disproportionate time spent with skills comparitively. 4 clock hours of metabolic pathways lecture (which is really 3 because there is a 15 minute break per hour) and then 4 hours on lab skills.

One of the first skill taught in medic class is how to start an IV. With one maybe 2 days spent on it before releasing people to the street/hospial to do it.

But look at the hours upon hours of intubation practice. On a grand scale, considering how little it is used, how little time it makes a difference when it is, and how only the finest agencies spend the resources to maintain proficency of providers, and best of all, when it can no longer hurt, even a basic is allowed to try to put in a tube.

Moving on, it seems almost blasphemy not to spend a solid 2 weeks on cardio. Plus an EKG workbook so you can identify any basic rhythm you see in less than a second before you rattle off a cookbook treatment without even considering an underlying pathology that would render such treatment moot.

How long does your class spend learning the national registry acceptable way to put on a KED or a traction splint? Does this match how often those devices are used in the field?

I think not.

But you drill, and can perform.

Med math
Megacode
trauma assessment

You can run through the skill sheets blindfolded.

But it doesn't translate to the field the way you practice (drill) it.

Then your agency requires "training" which you think needs to be kept "interesting" to maintain your ability to triage a teddy bear with a piece of paper on it or intubate and bag a patient in the dark, under the bed, with your off hand, using an adult bag on an infant doll. (just in case)

You learn it so well, you don't know that you cannot stabilze a perfectly in an extrication like you can your classmate sitting in a chair.

You can't even tell who needs medicine, who needs an ED, and who doesn't because you are trained for patients that rarely exist anymore. Whether it is the massive trauma patient or the crushing substernal chest pain radiating to the arm and jaw. Patients rarely present in those ways.

So you are given a few caviats to help. Like remember to run a 12 lead on a 95 y/o female who has abd pain and diabetis.

Maybe you are told not to give nitro to a right-sided MI.

But it all comes down to the point.

Whether you have a degree or not, EMS has and is changing. It is not a set of helpful skills to be provided by a techincally educated tradesman.

No matter how good your skills, if you cannot apply biochemistry on your medic test or explain Poiseuilles's Law as it relates to vascular dynamics, you will not be a paramedic. Not because I said so, but because you'll never pass the test with your knowledge of when and how to apply a few skills.

So if you have trouble with math and chemistry and all those other "book learnings" like physiology and pathophysiology, you may want to start taking a few classes before medic or consider another career.

Your ability to intubate Fred the head, hold c-spine, start an IV, and put on a KED aren't going to get you by and if there is a deficency in the knowledge of your instructor, all of the war stories, what they think really matters in the field, and what they say you can forget after class is over won't get you by anymore either.

Degree or not, there is a shift from skills to education in EMS.

Maybe that is why they took the "EMT" off the front of paramedic ;)

Just something to think about the next time you drill or go to skills lab.
 
For the record, I have intubated someone under a bed. Well, I was under the bed, the pt was in the middle of the very small room.

Back on topic, I believe there is a serious lack of organized education for instructors. Most of the instructors I know became instructors because they needed a second job, they were forced into it because no one else would do it, or they had to leave the field because of injury. I took the instructor class years ago, it was all about how to teach adults, and the instructor/student dynamic. None of it was about what to teach.
 
I guess I was really fortunate to have instructors that were not cookie cutter, cookbook medics.

It was simply not good enough during our class megacodes to say I’ll give "X" drug for "Y" reason. If you did you would be posed the question “why are you giving that medication”. Lord help you if you said because the book or ACLS says to.

We had to recall the patho and discuss any possible alternate modalities. If you didn’t have your pathophys down to the cellular level…Well lets just say you would have a long day.
 
So why not just dump Paramedic and make it Physician's assistant?

..and upgrade PA to the higher standard too?

And will you get enough people in rural/frontier areas to fill the needed positions? (Crappy urban positions you can fill by fiat or for punishment).

I am ambivalent about moving the balance of care (prehospital versus in-house procedures and diagnostics) towards the field. Human pragmatics and resource management dictates many more EMT-B's and a leavening of P's out there make the most sense and are most likely to occur; however, the people pushing for moving it out I sometimes admire. SO I am ambivalent.

Oh, and for the record, I once put a 1962 Dodge V8's carburetor/throttle linkage back into op with the wire out of a spiral bound pocket notebook. So there.;)
 
..and upgrade PA to the higher standard too?

And will you get enough people in rural/frontier areas to fill the needed positions? (Crappy urban positions you can fill by fiat or for punishment).

I am ambivalent about moving the balance of care (prehospital versus in-house procedures and diagnostics) towards the field. Human pragmatics and resource management dictates many more EMT-B's and a leavening of P's out there make the most sense and are most likely to occur; however, the people pushing for moving it out I sometimes admire. SO I am ambivalent.

Oh, and for the record, I once put a 1962 Dodge V8's carburetor/throttle linkage back into op with the wire out of a spiral bound pocket notebook. So there.;)

A PA is just an up educated medic.

I think the shift to education from skills is really just the natural evolution of medicine.

Because we know more today than we did in the past, the minimum level needed to adequetely not cause harm has increased.

Even if you look at physicians from the 60s-70s compared to now, there was relatively little to learn. Sometimes treatments worked, sometimes they didn't.

It really is no different from general society.

At one time a highschool diploma demonstrated you had enough education to function asa valuable member of society.

It doesn't any longer, pay and job market reflects that.

For EMS, they were able to hold on to the old idea of "life saving skills" for some time. BUt those skills are turning out to not be as life saving as once thought.
 
I guess I was really fortunate to have instructors that were not cookie cutter, cookbook medics.

It was simply not good enough during our class megacodes to say I’ll give "X" drug for "Y" reason. If you did you would be posed the question “why are you giving that medication”. Lord help you if you said because the book or ACLS says to.

We had to recall the patho and discuss any possible alternate modalities. If you didn’t have your pathophys down to the cellular level…Well lets just say you would have a long day.

My instructor is the same exact way.

We learned the acid bas balance, and made us learn it in away till it clicks. We spend 2-3 months in cardio. A month in Anatomy. And learn pharm up front so it can click through out.

We have a million dollar sim.room to run our codes, and the pt will better or worsen based on our decisions.

I think that kind of teaching is rare. But should be the standard.

I also believe every time curriculum changes the instructor should hve to certify to teach it. Just my oppinion.
 
I also believe every time curriculum changes the instructor should hve to certify to teach it. Just my oppinion.

That is a great idea, it would shut down every medic mill in the country.

Actually having qualifications other than time in rate would be a good idea too.
 
This is why I would fail: "So if you have trouble with math and chemistry"
 
For the last 2 years, the topic of "metabolic pathways" was witheld on the schedule to make sure I was available to teach it. I am the only medic instructor at the institution that understands it. The attempt to use a publisher made powerpoint on the topic had failed terribly.
do you see a problem with the fact that out of all the medic instructors at the facility, only 1 understands the topic of metabolic pathways? and you expect the students to understand the concept when none of the other instructors do?
Simply having experience working in the field is no longer sufficent to teach.
While I do agree, I will also say that teaching with no experience can be detrimental to a students when they try to apply classroom rules to the field.
One of the first skill taught in medic class is how to start an IV. With one maybe 2 days spent on it before releasing people to the street/hospial to do it.

But look at the hours upon hours of intubation practice. On a grand scale, considering how little it is used, how little time it makes a difference when it is, and how only the finest agencies spend the resources to maintain proficency of providers, and best of all, when it can no longer hurt, even a basic is allowed to try to put in a tube.

Moving on, it seems almost blasphemy not to spend a solid 2 weeks on cardio. Plus an EKG workbook so you can identify any basic rhythm you see in less than a second before you rattle off a cookbook treatment without even considering an underlying pathology that would render such treatment moot.
and how much time is spent on needle decompressions? they are rarely used in the field, much more infrequently than intubations. but when you need to do it, you got to do it, to make the patient feel better.
How long does your class spend learning the national registry acceptable way to put on a KED or a traction splint? Does this match how often those devices are used in the field?

I think not.
and yet, KED and backboarding are the two most common practical station failures on the national registry paramedic test.
Med math
Megacode
trauma assessment

You can run through the skill sheets blindfolded.

But it doesn't translate to the field the way you practice (drill) it.
so is the field wrong, is the class wrong, and should we be changing things to make sure they are all in line?
You learn it so well, you don't know that you cannot stabilze a perfectly in an extrication like you can your classmate sitting in a chair.
and yet, we are still teaching our new people to do things this way.......
You can't even tell who needs medicine, who needs an ED, and who doesn't because you are trained for patients that rarely exist anymore. Whether it is the massive trauma patient or the crushing substernal chest pain radiating to the arm and jaw. Patients rarely present in those ways.
and yet, we are still teaching our new people to do things this way.......
Your ability to intubate Fred the head, hold c-spine, start an IV, and put on a KED aren't going to get you by and if there is a deficency in the knowledge of your instructor, all of the war stories, what they think really matters in the field, and what they say you can forget after class is over won't get you by anymore either.
failure on the part of the instructors, those who design the curriculum, the state administrators, and the department of health that regulates it all.
Maybe that is why they took the "EMT" off the front of paramedic ;)
maybe we should all be called paramedics, since everyone calls us that anyway ;-)
 
So during a break I was thinking...

A few years ago one of my coworkers, who was a medic for easily 2 decades longer than me, had to take a state test in order to get his EMS instructor certificate. Being very knowledgable, he did pass on the first try. But he admitted it was close.

That 2000 curriculum change had caught him rather off balance. He complained that a medic didn't need to know what medication to treat hyper K+ with or what the most likely symptom of an Fe overdose was.

A decade on, we have just instituted another major change. But this one is not only creating headaches for students, many instructors are finding themselves no longer up to the task of teaching the curriculum. (which was forseen)

How long did it take you to type this?

During a teaching staff meeting late last year, one of the major issues was that EMT-B instructors who were not medics did not know acid/base balance themselves but were now expected to teach it. How were we going to schedule medic instructors to cover that material when the classes ran simultaneously?

For the last 2 years, the topic of "metabolic pathways" was witheld on the schedule to make sure I was available to teach it. I am the only medic instructor at the institution that understands it. The attempt to use a publisher made powerpoint on the topic had failed terribly.

Now it seems every EMS publisher has caught on to the need to create bullet point presentations to memorize on the new additions of basic science.

Except science doesn't work like that.

You cannot make it an order of operation to perform or a list to be memorized.

As such, many students are suffering because of the lack of instructor knowledge all over the US.

Simply having experience working in the field is no longer sufficent to teach.

I can't help but wonder if the rash of students needing to retake registry multiple times is because instructors are trying to cram in as many disconjoined medical facts as possible into students and hoping it will have the same positive outcome on a test as drilling psychomotor skills in lab for practical tests.

Now consider the disproportionate time spent with skills comparitively. 4 clock hours of metabolic pathways lecture (which is really 3 because there is a 15 minute break per hour) and then 4 hours on lab skills.

One of the first skill taught in medic class is how to start an IV. With one maybe 2 days spent on it before releasing people to the street/hospial to do it.

But look at the hours upon hours of intubation practice. On a grand scale, considering how little it is used, how little time it makes a difference when it is, and how only the finest agencies spend the resources to maintain proficency of providers, and best of all, when it can no longer hurt, even a basic is allowed to try to put in a tube.

Moving on, it seems almost blasphemy not to spend a solid 2 weeks on cardio. Plus an EKG workbook so you can identify any basic rhythm you see in less than a second before you rattle off a cookbook treatment without even considering an underlying pathology that would render such treatment moot.

How long does your class spend learning the national registry acceptable way to put on a KED or a traction splint? Does this match how often those devices are used in the field?

I think not.

But you drill, and can perform.

Med math
Megacode
trauma assessment

You can run through the skill sheets blindfolded.

But it doesn't translate to the field the way you practice (drill) it.

Then your agency requires "training" which you think needs to be kept "interesting" to maintain your ability to triage a teddy bear with a piece of paper on it or intubate and bag a patient in the dark, under the bed, with your off hand, using an adult bag on an infant doll. (just in case)

You learn it so well, you don't know that you cannot stabilze a perfectly in an extrication like you can your classmate sitting in a chair.

You can't even tell who needs medicine, who needs an ED, and who doesn't because you are trained for patients that rarely exist anymore. Whether it is the massive trauma patient or the crushing substernal chest pain radiating to the arm and jaw. Patients rarely present in those ways.

So you are given a few caviats to help. Like remember to run a 12 lead on a 95 y/o female who has abd pain and diabetis.

Maybe you are told not to give nitro to a right-sided MI.

But it all comes down to the point.

Whether you have a degree or not, EMS has and is changing. It is not a set of helpful skills to be provided by a techincally educated tradesman.

No matter how good your skills, if you cannot apply biochemistry on your medic test or explain Poiseuilles's Law as it relates to vascular dynamics, you will not be a paramedic. Not because I said so, but because you'll never pass the test with your knowledge of when and how to apply a few skills.

So if you have trouble with math and chemistry and all those other "book learnings" like physiology and pathophysiology, you may want to start taking a few classes before medic or consider another career.

Your ability to intubate Fred the head, hold c-spine, start an IV, and put on a KED aren't going to get you by and if there is a deficency in the knowledge of your instructor, all of the war stories, what they think really matters in the field, and what they say you can forget after class is over won't get you by anymore either.

Degree or not, there is a shift from skills to education in EMS.

Maybe that is why they took the "EMT" off the front of paramedic ;)

Just something to think about the next time you drill or go to skills lab.



How long did it take you to type this?
 
How long did it take you to type this?

about 15 minutes, while I was also reading some studies.

My multitasking usually exacerbates my poor spelling and typing skills.

I also have an issue with stopping and restarting so there is sometimes some redundancy to my posts.
 
Anjel1030:

e learned the acid bas balance, and made us learn it in away till it clicks. We spend 2-3 months in cardio. A month in Anatomy. And learn pharm up front so it can click through out.

We have a million dollar sim.room to run our codes, and the pt will better or worsen based on our decisions.

I think that kind of teaching is rare. But should be the standard.

I also believe every time curriculum changes the instructor should hve to certify to teach it. Just my opinion."


Will this work in Cherry County Nebraska, Pocatello Idaho and Pocahantas Iowa?

Maybe the case for Fire EMS versus EMSA-EMS is being framed here. Fire gets EMT-Bs, and EMSA or whomever gets Paramedics and higher/other.
 
Anjel1030:

e learned the acid bas balance, and made us learn it in away till it clicks. We spend 2-3 months in cardio. A month in Anatomy. And learn pharm up front so it can click through out.

We have a million dollar sim.room to run our codes, and the pt will better or worsen based on our decisions.

I think that kind of teaching is rare. But should be the standard.

I also believe every time curriculum changes the instructor should hve to certify to teach it. Just my opinion."


Will this work in Cherry County Nebraska, Pocatello Idaho and Pocahantas Iowa?

Maybe the case for Fire EMS versus EMSA-EMS is being framed here. Fire gets EMT-Bs, and EMSA or whomever gets Paramedics and higher/other.

I support the idea that only academic medical centers should be able to teach medicine.

This is an ongoing problem in EMS that will not be easily remidied.

If I spend 300 hours of ER clinical time in an Urban academic hospital, it creates a far different experience than that of spending 300 hours in Podunk hospital.

The performance of skill also doesn't make it any simpler.

The person who triages 10 patients in 30 minutes in that inner city hospital, then never triages a patient again after that 1/2 hour isn't going to be particularly skilled in triage even though he did the same amount as somebody in podunk.

Neither take into account patient diversity. slapping a 12 lead on 10 patients in podunk is no different than slapping a 12 lead on anywhere else and calling that an ALS assessment.

But it does mean that if that is all you did you have no idea what massive bleeding, a PE, a stroke, acute renal failure, chronic renal failure, cancer, or any other disease looks like.

As it stands now, any 2 paramedic students in any single class can have wildly different clinical experiences at the same facility.

The only way I see to fix it, is to do it like in medical school here.

You will go to neuro and perform neuro exams until you can be signed off as competent. You will then go to metabolic diseases and assess patients, etc. etc. and get signed off as seeing various acuities and disease processes.

You can't limit it to "emergency" or "critical care" environments. People don't call 911 and ask for the pulmonary or hematology ambulance crew.
 
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