Who Comes First?

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Who comes first, in your mind?

To me:

Me
My Partner
My Patient.


I know there is reasonable risk with everything, but as far as I'm concerned I don't owe anyone my life, livelyhood or limb. My safety is paramount to me. Who am I going to help if I'm dead or disabled? What will I do but further complicate things?

My partner comes next. (Unless you're my monday partner. Then I might push you infront of oncoming traffic. )

(JK)

(Kinda.)

Patient comes last, because they're already sick/hurt/in danger or dying, through no fault of my own.
 
Definitely myself first, then my crew, and finally our patient. Our patients aren't gonna get any help if we're unable to take care of ourselves. That's exactly why we stage for PD on violent calls. There's a method to this madness.


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Myself, my partner and my patient. It was kind of a tie between myself or my partner first, but I just kind of figured that my partner should be able to remove themselves from danger anyways. :ph34r:
 
Me
My Partner
My Patient
Bystanders

Like my instructor used to say.

You are 1a. Your partner is 1b.

And everyone else comes after.

Although I could see me putting myself in harms way to help/protect my partner. Just the kind of person I am. Stupid? maybe.
 
I'm with Anjel on the last part there. Something kicks in whether I like it or not.


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Anjel1030 said:
Me


Although I could see me putting myself in harms way to help/protect my partner. Just the kind of person I am. Stupid? maybe.
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I know what you're saying Anjel, that's how I am as well. I guess you can be Dumb, and I'll be Dumber ;)
 
fast65 said:
I know what you're saying Anjel, that's how I am as well. I guess you can be Dumb, and I'll be Dumber ;)
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Is there room to make this a threesome?! Lol :p

Typically: Me, Partner/Crew, and then Patient. Though there can be extenuating circumstances on VERY rare occasions that cause that order to flip. Again, just the way I'm wired ;)
 
PoeticInjustice said:
Is there room to make this a threesome?! Lol :p

Typically: Me, Partner/Crew, and then Patient. Though there can be extenuating circumstances on VERY rare occasions that cause that order to flip. Again, just the way I'm wired ;)
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Always room for a threesome lol


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Myself/Partner (Much as you said Sasha...depending on the day)
Bystanders
Patient

Patient's gonna come last. Sucks, but its true.
 
For me it is:

My partner
Me
My Patient
Bystanders

Maybe I'm weird. I don't care, its just something I have always thought. Now of course it depends somewhat on my partner, but I am willing to put myself in danger for my partner. I also know that my partner would do the same for me.
 
lightsandsirens5 said:
For me it is:

My partner
Me
My Patient
Bystanders

Maybe I'm weird. I don't care, its just something I have always thought. Now of course it depends somewhat on my partner, but I am willing to put myself in danger for my partner. I also know that my partner would do the same for me.
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I don't think it's weird, but I guess you're gonna want join the threesome that Anjel, PI and I have going on? :P

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PoeticInjustice said:
Is there room to make this a threesome?! Lol :p

Typically: Me, Partner/Crew, and then Patient. Though there can be extenuating circumstances on VERY rare occasions that cause that order to flip. Again, just the way I'm wired ;)
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I'm curious...why put the patient in front of bystanders? Wouldn't you want everyone NOT involved in the emergency safe prior to taking care of the person who IS involved in it? Prevent more people from becoming patients etc...?
 
MediMike said:
I'm curious...why put the patient in front of bystanders? Wouldn't you want everyone NOT involved in the emergency safe prior to taking care of the person who IS involved in it? Prevent more people from becoming patients etc...?
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I see where you are coming from.

Lets say its a fire. And my pt is 100yds away. And there are 4 bystanders standing around. I am going to get them to safety before I rush past to my pt.

However. If it is a car accident. and there are a bunch of gawkers. I cant say I am going to make sure they wander into traffic before I tend to my pt.

Thats what PD is for.
 
Can't say until I'm in the moment...

...and even then I might not have the words.

I don't believe it happens this way -- a pre-figured out approach that dictates my actions. I believe it's completely situational.

What if your Brother is your patient?

There are so many variables and by the time you're through, you could have a list of "Who comes first" ten feet long and really, you wouldn't pay attention anyway.

My only point is that any clear limit and boundary spoken of here could easily be broken by the individual given the proper, custom-made circumstances.
 
My safety comes first.

In general I expect my partner to be able to take care of himself. If it is a newer person I will look out for them a bit more than an experienced person.

With my current partner, well...let's just say if he doesn't figure it out for himself I'm not going to go out of my way to figure it out for him. I do most of his thinking for him, but when it is a "run, now" safety issue I'm yelling "run" and taking off. I'm not going to hang out while he asks 20 questions.

Beyond that I'm going to tell whoever can walk to GTFO and help the most helpable.


Edit: I should add that I know our job has a certain degree of risk involved. I may make a calculated decision to subject myself to more risk depending on the situation. Case in point, if a house full of able bodied people is full of smoke I'm standing back and yelling "over here". If it is full of disabled people I may go closer to the house than I otherwise would to physically assist them away. However, I'm NOT running inside, period.
 
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lightsandsirens5 said:
For me it is:

My partner
Me
My Patient
Bystanders

Maybe I'm weird. I don't care, its just something I have always thought. Now of course it depends somewhat on my partner, but I am willing to put myself in danger for my partner. I also know that my partner would do the same for me.
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That's my list also. I always put my partner above myself.
 
Three months ago it was

My Partner
Me
Newbie/student (if applicable)
Patient/bystanders (it doesn't help having bystanders become patients)

But now that I don't have a consistent partner and I'm not as close with many of my new partners I might put myself at the top.
 
Me
My partner
My patient
Everyone else.

Other EMS/FFs/LEOs can either fall between partner and patient, or patient and everyone else. I haven't really decided yet.

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