the 100% directionless thread

Linuss said:
I'm scared crapless and I'll admit it, so I'll start at a 250cc bike... plus the $1500-$3000 pricelines doesn't hurt... especially with insurance JUST $150/year. :P


The two I've been looking at extensively are the Ninja 250 and the Rebel 250... talk about polar opposites.

I find sportbikes sexier, but I don't want the temptation of speed/ stupidity.. let alone the extra attention from the cops. Though there are some cruisers which look pretty nice too. Though whatever I get, it's going to be blue.


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I found a Rebel 250 that I'm going to check out tomorrow, and if it's good, I'll pick it up. I figure I'll ride it for a bit, and when I get more comfortable on it, I'll re-sell it, and upgrade to something else.

medic417 said:
Don't think that went very well. He hasn't posted while on a second date anyway.:wacko:
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Nah, didn't work out. lol :P
 
medicRob said:
More like a '57 Chevy Bel Air Convertible named, "Betty My Love", and I would never sell my dear Betty... not in a million years.
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Picture!
 
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Had my Red Cross first aid class today and we learned that if someone is in shock, you raise their legs 12 in. The instructor thought this was very important, but couldn't tell me why. And then got annoyed when I tried to google it on my phone under the table.

I'm assuming someone here knows. B)
 
lightsandsirens5 said:
Oh my God Rob that is beautiful! What does she have for a motor?
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Oh, I just realized from above that you think I own this car. No, what I was getting at is that instead of a pink cadillac, I would have a 57 Chevy Belair convertible (my dream car). I have considered several times going to the bank and taking out a loan for enough $$ to get this specific car, but my common sense usually prevails.

I would call her "Betty My Love"... I would give my x wife + every girlfriend I have ever had and ever will have for her.
 
medicRob said:
Oh, I just realized from above that you think I own this car. No, what I was getting at is that instead of a pink cadillac, I would have a 57 Chevy Belair convertible (my dream car). I have considered several times going to the bank and taking out a loan for enough $$ to get this specific car, but my common sense usually prevails.

I would call her "Betty My Love"... I would give my x wife + every girlfriend I have ever had and ever will have for her.
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Oh....:sad:

*cry.... I was about to make flight reservations to come visit you so I could have a ride! :P
 
Emma said:
Had my Red Cross first aid class today and we learned that if someone is in shock, you raise their legs 12 in. The instructor thought this was very important, but couldn't tell me why. And then got annoyed when I tried to google it on my phone under the table.

I'm assuming someone here knows. B)
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The proposed mechanism is venous return and the Frank-Starling mechanism. The efficacy of passive leg raising, on the other hand, is questionable.
 
medicRob said:
This is hawleywoods:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1z7hShgfg[/YOUTUBE]
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As someone who hasn't been inside a barber shop/salon since 1997 I am so incredibly unable to relate to this video it is nearly comical. I have however had the owner of hawleywoods on my plane but had no idea who he was. Next time I see him I'll mention you're a fan and buy him a drink for you lol
 
JPINFV said:
The proposed mechanism is venous return and the Frank-Starling mechanism. The efficacy of passive leg raising, on the other hand, is questionable.
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So, to get the blood back to the heart to help it keep beating? I googled, quick, but I'm sure that's not the whole picture.

Ok. So if I do what I was taught and lift up the legs, is that harmful? Or is it just doing nothing?

Mostly what I got out of that class is to call 911, which is what I'll do. I'm just rather curious now.
 
Emma said:
So, to get the blood back to the heart to help it keep beating? I googled, quick, but I'm sure that's not the whole picture.

Ok. So if I do what I was taught and lift up the legs, is that harmful? Or is it just doing nothing?

Mostly what I got out of that class is to call 911, which is what I'll do. I'm just rather curious now.
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Basically, the more blood in the heart when contraction begins ("end diastolic volume"), the harder the heart contracts. This increases stroke volume and, everything else being equal, cardiac output and blood pressure.

Before discussing whether it helps, harms, or both, there's two different ways to go about 'shock position.' The most common from a first aid/EMS standpoint is "passive leg raising," which is just simply raising the legs and feet. Alternatively, there is trendelenburg position which is tilting the entire body into a head down position, not just moving the legs.

The evidence for trendelenburg/leg raising is relatively limited to a handful of small studies, but all of the studies say essentially the same thing. Neither of the positions increases cardiac output or blood pressure. Additionally, there are some potentially major side effects (especially with trendelenburg) such as increasing intracranial pressure (the blood will ultimately pool as far down as possible, and while veins have valves to prevent backflow, those valves still have to be able to open to release pressure and move blood) and increased difficulty breathing (due to the abdominal contents shifting to the underside of the diaphragm).
 
Can I put yellow, white, green, violet, brown, or other lights on this rig?

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Sharp uniforms, no? And big knives!
 
JPINFV said:
Basically, the more blood in the heart when contraction begins ("end diastolic volume"), the harder the heart contracts. This increases stroke volume and, everything else being equal, cardiac output and blood pressure.

Before discussing whether it helps, harms, or both, there's two different ways to go about 'shock position.' The most common from a first aid/EMS standpoint is "passive leg raising," which is just simply raising the legs and feet. Alternatively, there is trendelenburg position which is tilting the entire body into a head down position, not just moving the legs.

The evidence for trendelenburg/leg raising is relatively limited to a handful of small studies, but all of the studies say essentially the same thing. Neither of the positions increases cardiac output or blood pressure. Additionally, there are some potentially major side effects (especially with trendelenburg) such as increasing intracranial pressure (the blood will ultimately pool as far down as possible, and while veins have valves to prevent backflow, those valves still have to be able to open to release pressure and move blood) and increased difficulty breathing (due to the abdominal contents shifting to the underside of the diaphragm).
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FRANK STARLING'S LAW OF THE HEART!!!
 
pullnshoot25 said:

FRANK STARLING'S LAW OF THE HEART!!!
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First, don't yell..... :ph34r:

And second, he was not stating that Starling's Law was invalid, he was stating that the trendelenburg position fails to increase preload by an appreciable amount, thereby rendering Starling's Law an invalid point in this topic. Ie, if preload is not appreciably affected, then Starling's Law does not need to be brought into the equation. It would be like applying the Fujita Wand Damage Scale into a discussion about earthquakes.

Third, (And this is for everyone) Please lets not turn the directionless thread into an argument about the trendelenburg position? I think we all need to get back off topic here before it devolves like the rest of the trendelenburg threads on here.

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If I have misspelled trendelenburg.....sorry. :P
 
I almost made it throught the night without eating too many girl scout cookies.

And then my ipod battery died and I needed to do something while I waited for it to charge.
 
abckidsmom said:
I almost made it throught the night without eating too many girl scout cookies.

And then my ipod battery died and I needed to do something while I waited for it to charge.
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I have a friend who used that same excuse for getting pregnant :)
 
lightsandsirens5 said:
First, don't yell..... :ph34r:

And second, he was not stating that Starling's Law was invalid, he was stating that the trendelenburg position fails to increase preload by an appreciable amount, thereby rendering Starling's Law an invalid point in this topic. Ie, if preload is not appreciably affected, then Starling's Law does not need to be brought into the equation. It would be like applying the Fujita Wand Damage Scale into a discussion about earthquakes.

Third, (And this is for everyone) Please lets not turn the directionless thread into an argument about the trendelenburg position? I think we all need to get back off topic here before it devolves like the rest of the trendelenburg threads on here.

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If I have misspelled trendelenburg.....sorry. :P
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I got excited!
 
I recieved the best compliment that any partner could give me today.

We had a pretty serious nursing home to ER call today. The family member was upset, riding in front. I heard my partner say "Don't worry, your mother is in really good hands back there."
 
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