the 100% directionless thread

Remi said:
Irishboxer,

Before I break this down, note that none of my comments address my own opinion of torture or the CIA report. I was commenting on your reasoning, not on the actual issue. Don't make the mistake of assuming you know someone else's position on something, or that you understand why they hold the position that they do.



The part of your post that I originally commented on is bolded above. What you were implying was that the only way someone can know anything is to have personal experience with it. This is an anti-intellectual argument that basically dismisses every form of learning aside from psychomotor practice.

You also assume that the only reason beano and others have the view they do is because of the recent senate report. That is a big assumption, considering how much discussion there has been on torture over the past decade, also considering that this recent senate report is not the first one to discount the utility of torture. Such assumption can also be categorized as a causal fallacy, which is a form of post-hoc logical fallacy.



Then, in your reply to me, you make another assumption and actually commit two logical fallacies. First you repeat the post-hoc fallacy in assuming that people's opinions are based solely on ill-informed and politically motivated sources of information, and you then falsely imply that an individual's experience is a more valuable form of evidence than anything else, when in reality, anecdotal evidence is the weakest kind. This is sort of an implied anecdotal fallacy.

Lastly, I wonder how you square your outright dismissal of a "politically-motivatated" senate report with the self-serving claims of the CIA and military that information gathered from torture was not only useful but was the only way to gather the intel they were after?

Why are you so quick to believe the word of people (CIA, military) who obviously have much to lose if the public and congress don't believe that torture works?
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So you're turning the discussion into the definition of fallacy? I think before things can go into that sort of detail, it would be wise to exercise the basic logic of looking at both sides of the argument and facts that are present. What you know, and beano and what I know are 3 different things. You seemed to have failed to notice that I haven't argued for either side- merely questioned why people think it is ok to form a one sided opinion based on one sided 'facts'. I'm not quick to believe the word of anyone, but pointing out the reality that plucking some sort of argument when NONE of us have ALL of the facts isn't a good foundation for a valid opinion.
 
Maybe this thing needs its own thread. We are blocking up a directionless thread with one topic...
 
Angel said:
I feel like a real medic today, not sure why. Calls are ordinary but, it's about dang time.
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is that like the saying "I'm a real boy"
 
Well...in my case...girl.
I still feel/felt like I was on my internship...
 
Angel said:
Well...in my case...girl.
I still feel/felt like I was on my internship...
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Hence the quotes Angel :p I couldnt think of any other clever saying
 
Only 12 more chapters of world history to review for this final tomorrow... at least I'm a third of the way there!
 
Angel said:
Hah, well I'm slow today! 6.5 hours on and 2 calls I just feel like taking a nap.
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Try 36 hours no calls haha so weird for me
 
Wow! I would be running people over so I could have something to do lol
 
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Hmmmmmm
 
Today I did the supe a favor and took the bariatric wheelchair van to call to transport a patient to the ED with the medic crew.

It ended with a naked, morbidly obese female getting temporarily stuck in a hoyer lift while suspended in mid air.

Without going into detail, I also feel bad for the cleaning staff.
 
Tigger said:
Today I did the supe a favor and took the bariatric wheelchair van to call to transport a patient to the ED with the medic crew.

It ended with a naked, morbidly obese female getting temporarily stuck in a hoyer lift while suspended in mid air.

Without going into detail, I also feel bad for the cleaning staff.
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I feel like they're always naked.
 
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