Question about guns in EMS

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[Shishkabob]

NRA member and a CC holder. I see no reason to carry on the ambulance.

Your primary tools to defuse a situation is your mouth and your partner. Unless someone calls 911 with the express intent to murder an EMT, you need to try pretty hard to get into a situation where you need a gun. I've been on calls where situations escalated to the point of LEOs having to draw. But in everyone of those situations the EMT made mistakes in dealing with the pt that caused the situation to go bad.

With that mentality, why even have a CCW as a civilian? I mean, you should be able to diffuse the situation with your mouth, right? If you get assaulted, it's because you made the mistake of dealing with someone, right?

 

[Sandog]

I know, I know, so many people hate the Constitution, but it's still fun to be right at times ^_^

Where in the constitution does it state that Americans have the right to carry concealed handguns? The 2nd amendment you speak of, "The right to bear arms was for military service and militia, not **** and Jane to carry concealed weapons.

 

[Sandog]

According to the Violence Policy Center:

From 1996 to 2000, Texas concealed handgun license holders were
arrested for weapon-related offenses11 at a rate 81 percent higher than
that of the general population of Texas, aged 21 and older. These
weapon-related offenses include arrests for 279 assaults or aggravated

http://concealedguns.procon.org/sourcefiles/licensetokill.pdf

The point is, there are arguments for and against, this has been going on for a very long time.

 

[Aidey]

Where in the constitution does it state that Americans have the right to carry concealed handguns? The 2nd amendment you speak of, "The right to bear arms was for military service and militia, not **** and Jane to carry concealed weapons.

Court cases have set precedent that has "clarified" and outlined what the 2nd Amendment allows. The whole "Well regulated militia" thing went out of the window a while ago.

 

[RocketMedic]

The last thing I want is a firearm getting in the hands of a patient if it comes to blows in the back of an ambulance. Very close second is a firearm in the hands of a partner too immature, stupid or ignorant to use it correctly or appropriately.

 

[JPINFV]

Where in the constitution does it state that Americans have the right to carry concealed handguns? The 2nd amendment you speak of, "The right to bear arms was for military service and militia, not **** and Jane to carry concealed weapons.

If only there was something that defined who was a member of the militia... oh, wait...

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

 

[Aidey]

Can you imagine what would happen if all females and males under 45 (or 64 see attached) were told they had to give up their guns? What a mess.

Section 313 of title 32

(a) To be eligible for original enlistment in the National Guard, a person must be at least 17 years of age and under 45, or under 64 years of age and a former member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps. To be eligible for reenlistment, a person must be under 64 years of age. (b) To be eligible for appointment as an officer of the National Guard, a person must - (1) be a citizen of the United States; and (2) be at least 18 years of age and under 64.

 

[Shishkabob]

Where in the constitution does it state that Americans have the right to carry concealed handguns? The 2nd amendment you speak of, "The right to bear arms was for military service and militia, not **** and Jane to carry concealed weapons.

Look back on a plethora of court cases, including some by the Supreme Court. It has been decided that a 'militia' in those times was the ordinary citizen, and not something comparable to the National Guard.


But you know what, I agree, it says nothing about concealed carry... it says we can bear arms which means they can be out in the open. But since so many people freak out at the sight of a firearm, even in non-threatening ways, concealed carry seems to be the accepted middle ground.

As decided in Heller: "Thus, the most natural reading of “keep Arms” in the Second Amendment is to “have weapons.” At the time of the founding, as now, to “bear” meant to “carry.”"

If only there was something that defined who was a member of the militia... oh, wait...

Except the Supreme Court defines militia based off how the word was used back during the initial writing of the Constitution, and not the current useage of the word, therefor you cannot use contemporary definitions to define olden language. And the Supreme Court has more weight in legalities than a dictionary.

According to the Violence Policy Center:

Yes, because an anti-gun agency is SO anti-biased in their data collection.

Now, Texas DPS, who has no horse in the race, recently released this study, showing that just 0.1% of crimes convicted in Texas are by concealed carry owners, most don't even relate to a handgun, and those that do typically are carrying in a place deemed unlawful (and as such, a non-violent crime)

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf

 

[ffemt8978]

There are plenty of other forums to discuss firearms...