New FDNY commissioner

[ffemt8978]

You're missing a lot, which is not unusual for "rank and file" individuals.

C-Suite positions do not require expertise in technical applications. They do require, being influential, seeing the big picture, strategic planning, budgeting/finance and directing senior leaders (that oversee rank and file). They're running a large business, not a singular department.

The optics of this, in my opinion, is little more than a Rorschach test for inherent biases. Some will see a highly qualified appointment, others will see it as unqualified, even if all of the objective data points to the alternative. What I find confusing is the connecting of dots that implies that who someone choses to share their bed with (consenting adults) has some correlation to how they will effectively function in their job. Then again, looking at the history of these municipal services, not terribly surprising.

While it shouldn't matter who someone sleeps with (as long as it's legal) it becomes a basis for concern if that is the primary reason they got the job.

I'm not saying it's what happened here, but I can understand those who wonder about it.

 

[alphatrauma]

While it shouldn't matter who someone sleeps with (as long as it's legal) it becomes a basis for concern if that is the primary reason they got the job.

I'm not saying it's what happened here, but I can understand those who wonder about it.

Very odd that this is your takeaway. Especially considering there is no mention to anything of the sort in the news article or the comments in this thread. Do you know something we don't, or just throwing it out there to poison the well?

 

[FiremanMike]

Very odd that this is your takeaway. Especially considering there is no mention to anything of the sort in the news article or the comments in this thread. Do you know something we don't, or just throwing it out there to poison the well?

I would have thought your break from here and name change would be your opportunity to take a breath and stop posting like such a pompous, condescending ***.

Clearly I was ignorant with that line of thinking.

 

[DrParasite]

What I find confusing is the connecting of dots that implies that who someone choses to share their bed with (consenting adults) has some correlation to how they will effectively function in their job. Then again, looking at the history of these municipal services, not terribly surprising.

hold up... I need to throw the BS flag on this... no one is saying she will be bad at the job because of who she sleeps with. Not the rank and file, and not people on social media, and no one on this board. Implying otherwise is intellectually dishonest and gaslighting.

What people are saying is she was selected for the role due to her checking of multiple DEI boxes by an ultra progressive mayor who has never had a real job in his life. As such the belief is that he is appointing based on her immutable characteristics, not because she would be the best candidate for the jo.

People are questioning her qualifications due to her lack of fire service experience, and, lets be honest, the FDNY EMS system is kind of a mess. Has been for decades. Not enough units, handles 80% of the FDNY call volume and get 20% of the budget. The fact that she was appointed has raised some questions, but I haven't seen people (aside from the usual internet trolls) who are saying who she sleeps with has anything to do with how effectively she will do the job. Considering FDNY has a history of having commissioners with little to no firefighting experience, and very few with large scale EMS management experience, I think she's as qualified as many of her predecessors... and much more qualified than at least one in recent memory.

 

[mgr22]

You're missing a lot, which is not unusual for "rank and file" individuals.

C-Suite positions do not require expertise in technical applications. They do require, being influential, seeing the big picture, strategic planning, budgeting/finance and directing senior leaders (that oversee rank and file). They're running a large business, not a singular department.

The optics of this, in my opinion, is little more than a Rorschach test for inherent biases. Some will see a highly qualified appointment, others will see it as unqualified, even if all of the objective data points to the alternative. What I find confusing is the connecting of dots that implies that who someone choses to share their bed with (consenting adults) has some correlation to how they will effectively function in their job. Then again, looking at the history of these municipal services, not terribly surprising.

I may be missing a lot, but being a "rank and file individual" probably isn't the reason.

It's possible to hire talented people who excel at both blue-collar and big-picture positions, primarily because the latter started by doing the former. FDNY probably has a few of those with firefighting experience, too. And EMS. For such a high-profile position, why limit the experience to one side?

 

[alphatrauma]

I would have thought your break from here and name change would be your opportunity to take a breath and stop posting like such a pompous, condescending ***.

Clearly I was ignorant with that line of thinking.

Name change? I have no idea what you are on about. Wasn't my intent to rile you up. It's okay to not know things, we all started from somewhere... when we know better, we hopefully do better. Myself included.

 

[alphatrauma]

I may be missing a lot, but being a "rank and file individual" probably isn't the reason.

It's possible to hire talented people who excel at both blue-collar and big-picture positions, primarily because the latter started by doing the former. FDNY probably has a few of those with firefighting experience, too. And EMS. For such a high-profile position, why limit the experience to one side?

I don't disagree. Was only addressing the logic, that someone who does not start from the bottom of a profession is unqualified to lead said profession, is rather flawed.

 

[ffemt8978]

Very odd that this is your takeaway. Especially considering there is no mention to anything of the sort in the news article or the comments in this thread. Do you know something we don't, or just throwing it out there to poison the well?

No comment about it until you did in the post I quoted

What I find confusing is the connecting of dots that implies that who someone choses to share their bed with (consenting adults) has some correlation to how they will effectively function in their job. Then again, looking at the history of these municipal services, not terribly surprising

So go back and re-read what I actually said in that post in light of that context, and you'll realize it's not an odd response, nor is it throwing it out there to poison the well as you said.

 

[CCCSD]

Very odd that this is your takeaway. Especially considering there is no mention to anything of the sort in the news article or the comments in this thread. Do you know something we don't, or just throwing it out there to poison the well?

No. We ALL know what really happened and why. It’s you that is determined to make it anything but what it is. Sort of like the slow death of America occurring…

 

[alphatrauma]

hold up... I need to throw the BS flag on this... no one is saying she will be bad at the job because of who she sleeps with. Not the rank and file, and not people on social media, and no one on this board. Implying otherwise is intellectually dishonest and gaslighting.

Then why bring sexuality or orientation into the discussion? What is being implied?. YOU called out that she was openly lesbian. I don't think I've ever come across a debate where someone was referred to as an open heterosexual, after they were appointed to a similar position. Gaslighting? That's rich considering your previous comments..

What people are saying is she was selected for the role due to her checking of multiple DEI boxes by an ultra progressive mayor who has never had a real job in his life. As such the belief is that he is appointing based on her immutable characteristics, not because she would be the best candidate for the jo.

The problem with that narrative is there is no data to support the checked box theory. However, there are plenty of receipts indicating that she is qualified.

People are questioning her qualifications due to her lack of fire service experience, and, lets be honest, the FDNY EMS system is kind of a mess. Has been for decades. Not enough units, handles 80% of the FDNY call volume and get 20% of the budget. The fact that she was appointed has raised some questions, but I haven't seen people (aside from the usual internet trolls) who are saying who she sleeps with has anything to do with how effectively she will do the job.

And given her accomplished and documented track record, unless there is some smoking gun of gross incompetence out there, I'd argue that lack of fire service experience is insignificant at best.

Considering FDNY has a history of having commissioners with little to no firefighting experience, and very few with large scale EMS management experience, I think she's as qualified as many of her predecessors... and much more qualified than at least one in recent memory.

Common ground here and speaks to my larger point on leading an organization.

 

[DrParasite]

Then why bring sexuality or orientation into the discussion? What is being implied?. YOU called out that she was openly lesbian.

Because she is a lesbian... openly... it's not a secret... nor is it a slur or anything negative. it is what it is. I'm openly Jewish... if you want to call me a Jew... ok? it's a statement of fact. Some might not like that she's gay... it's an all boys club, as FDNY is 98% male... some might have a problem with her gender or sexuality; I am not one of those people.

I don't think I've ever come across a debate where someone was referred to as an open heterosexual, after they were appointed to a similar position. Gaslighting? That's rich considering your previous comments.

What is said was

Now, are there some insecure men who don't want an openly lesbian person running the department? sure

look at the entire context of what I said.

The problem with that narrative is there is no data to support the checked box theory. However, there are plenty of receipts indicating that she is qualified.

And given her accomplished and documented track record

ok, I'll bite: what are her major accomplishments? what is her documented track record of managing organizations with a budget of over $2.5 Billion? Where are those receipts that you claim are plentiful?

C-Suite positions do not require expertise in technical applications. They do require, being influential, seeing the big picture, strategic planning, budgeting/finance and directing senior leaders (that oversee rank and file). They're running a large business, not a singular department.

You say she's qualified right? does she have a degree in business? how about an MBA from an accredited university? What is her background in finance? How many businesses has she ran? she was chief of EMS, which is only a singular department, so that doesn't count (your words, not mine).

BTW, I've met Chief Bonsignore, and heard her speak publicly... leading an EMS agency as complicated as NYC is not an easy task, and she did an awesome job leading FDNY EMS through the COVID pandemic. and I have no doubt that she will be an advocate for the EMS side of FDNY (which has been absent for decades), as she did rise through the ranks. It will be interesting to see how she handles the fire side of her job (budgeting, press conferences, interacting with the unions, etc).

I also think commissioners should be civilian positions, and not uniformed personnel... but that's just me.

 

[CCCSD]

Alpha has some internal issues that come out in her rants.

 

[FiremanMike]

Name change? I have no idea what you are on about. Wasn't my intent to rile you up. It's okay to not know things, we all started from somewhere... when we know better, we hopefully do better. Myself included.

My apologies, I genuinely thought you were RescueMedic.