Interesting questions about "ObamaCare"

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Have you looked at the hike in insurance cost for just being overweight?
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Statistcally, they cost more because they are more unhealthy. What's so bad about trying not to go broke by raising rates on someone guaranteed to take more money out then they were ever to put in?
 
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Another gripe I have with this proposed plan-- it fines people to choosing not to be covered. So much for freedom of choice.

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People who want health care simply cannot afford to have it. So much for freedom of choice.
 
People who want health care simply cannot afford to have it. So much for freedom of choice.

They had the choice to get an education and get a worthwhile job.
 
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Statistcally, they cost more because they are more unhealthy. What's so bad about trying not to go broke by raising rates on someone guaranteed to take money back out?

Jogging. Adds muscle mass, which adds to weight, which adds to your insurance premium.

Overweight does not simply mean fat. Body builders are, by definition, overweight. Athletes, given enough muscle mass can be, by defintion, overweight.
 
They had the choice to get an education and get a worthwhile job.

Not all jobs offer insurance, and it's not just bad jobs that don't offer it.. Not everyone had the luxury of being able to finish high school or go to college. Some people work to support their families from the time that they can legally leave school and get a job.

I don't have the option of insurance with my job because I work per diem. I work per diem because I get more money that way. Not enough to cover an insurance premium, but more money.
 
Have you looked at the hike in insurance cost for just being overweight? It's outrageous. Many people can't afford to pay out a third of their rent a month for insurance and have to live and hope they will never need health care.

Thank you, Sasha. Said it a lot better than I, and a lot more concisely.

And the metrics they use to determine overweight is usually a BMI calculation. They are all different, and the insurance companies will usually do their best to find the one that is most unfavorable to the client.

I have never been less than 225 lbs. in my entire adult life, and that was after six months in the police academy working me out six times a week. I was rocking a six pack at the time, working on the V-shape on my torso, and was in awesome shape (unlike the fat blob I am now, of course). According to my Dad's insurance company, the previously mentioned Blue Cross/Blue Shield, I was considered "Obese" for my height and weight standards. I am six feet tall and weighed 225 lbs.

How does THAT happen?
 
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If that destroys the insurance companies, they deserve to die. They just couldn't compete. Isn't' that was capitalism is all about? Why are you against competition? What are you, a socialist?

Oh sweet, we want to play the "What are you" game?

Government running private enterprise out of business isn't capitalism. What are you, a fascist? Hell, even Mussolini made the trains run on time.

And to whomever brought up long lines, dentists not taking appointments, and all that other stuff: That's the FUD, guys. Fear, uncertainty, doubt. I have family members who live in Canada, and they have yet to have anything like that happen. I was injured in Canada, and as an American citizen I was charged a grand total of $50 USD for a torn rotator cuff. Then, I got back to the states, and a single session of rehab cost me $650, with co-pay from Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
Yep, let's ignore what's really happening in all of those systems that work so well. Here. http://www.lep.co.uk/news/8000-still-waiting-for-NHS.4265224.jp I guess the England news agencies are just lying about their dentists, right? 8000 patients without a dentist. Such a marvel of government work. I guess it's only a fact if it supports the fascists that want government control over everything. All hail Obama, dictator of the Americans.

Canada's supreme court:
"Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," two of the justices wrote in their decision.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/


Besides, how would it be different than today? How many calls do we get where people are just calling us because they think it will get them to the head of the line in the ED? How many times have you seen people bleeding and broken, sitting in the waiting room? How many times have you seen someone get denied treatment as "experimental," even though it's a perfectly accepted and standard practice, because the insurance companies don't want to pay?

It's all fear.

Yep, and the government will pay for everything. We won't have anyone sitting in waiting rooms because the government will add 100000 ER beds and fully staff them to every hospital. Government will pay for any and all treatments. All hail the government, the solution to everything since government = free.
 
They had the choice to get an education and get a worthwhile job.

Social Darwinism? If you can't afford the over-inflated rates of the insurance companies, you deserve to die?

How can you possibly argue this new-age Calvinism and not feel like a horrible person?
 
How does THAT happen?

Muscle weighs more than fat. You are probably obese by BMI standards but in better shape then all the "healthy" thin people running around.
 
Do I really need to put this thread on a time out?

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Telling each other to shush, and calling them socialists and fascists does not constitute being civil.
 
How can you possibly argue this new-age Calvinism and not feel like a horrible person?

And how can you argue forcing your beliefs on the majority of people against it, but call it unfair and inhumane to do the same back? How can you not feel like a hypocrite?
 
Besides, nothing of this changes the fact that government run health care is unconstitutional.
 
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And how can you argue forcing your beliefs on the majority of people against it, but call it unfair and inhumane to do the same back? How can you not feel like a hypocrite?

Last I checked, the polls said that the majority of people supported this health care initiative.

My only problem is that this bill doesn't go far enough. Personally, I want a full, single payer system with supplemental care offered to those who want and can afford it. You know, like Germany does. This current plan is being designed by politicians who have been bought and paid for by the insurance companies. They aren't going to let their highly paid congress-critters vote against their interests.

I want a plan that makes the insurance companies angry. I want one that makes them freaking TERRIFIED. I want them to know that they can no longer take premiums for years and years and years, and then deny Grandma cancer treatment after decades of regular payment because they'll play the odds that the family will give up the suit or settle for pennies on the dollar than it would have cost for the actual treatment costs.

I want this done, because I am tired of seeing people not getting treatment for completely treatable disorders and injuries because they can't afford it or don't have access to it. It's sick, wrong, and immoral that we, the supposedly most giving nation on the planet, refuses to take care of it's own people.
 
Last I checked, the polls said that the majority of people supported this health care initiative.

My only problem is that this bill doesn't go far enough. Personally, I want a full, single payer system with supplemental care offered to those who want and can afford it. You know, like Germany does. This current plan is being designed by politicians who have been bought and paid for by the insurance companies. They aren't going to let their highly paid congress-critters vote against their interests.

I want a plan that makes the insurance companies angry. I want one that makes them freaking TERRIFIED. I want them to know that they can no longer take premiums for years and years and years, and then deny Grandma cancer treatment after decades of regular payment because they'll play the odds that the family will give up the suit or settle for pennies on the dollar than it would have cost for the actual treatment costs.

I want this done, because I am tired of seeing people not getting treatment for completely treatable disorders and injuries because they can't afford it or don't have access to it. It's sick, wrong, and immoral that we, the supposedly most giving nation on the planet, refuses to take care of it's own people.

Good for you...now figure out a way to pay for it WITHOUT raising my taxes or putting us a trillion dollars in debt within 10 years.
 
Telling each other to shush, and calling them socialists and fascists does not constitute being civil.

Do you think calling anyone not civil is civil? No.

1. There so such thing as free healthcare. We will all be paying for it.

2. 50 million uninsured become insured. There is no increase in health resources. Everyone gets alot less healthcare.

3. To limit costs, the government controlled healthplan won't fund your healthcare if you partake in so called dangerous or unpopular activities. Smoking and obesity are the current ones but it could be increased to riding a motorcycle, parachuting, lifitn patients on stretchers, posting on EMTlife, driving vehicles that are fuel inefficient and on and on.
 
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Good for you...now figure out a way to pay for it WITHOUT raising my taxes or putting us a trillion dollars in debt within 10 years.

Ending a $10Billion a month war in Iraq and Afghanastan would easily pay for it. Why not concentrate on our own people vs warring with countries that pose no threat?
 
Ending a $10Billion a month war in Iraq and Afghanastan would easily pay for it. Why not concentrate on our own people vs warring with countries that pose no threat?

Pulling out of Iraq now would not be good for anyone!
 
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