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I had an arrest tonight...and then he decided to take off running when the cops and us showed up.

He got defib with 50k volts though. Is that a save? :lol: :D
 
Did they stack the shocks? If not no we will not allow a fib. :P
 
Hockey said:
I had an arrest tonight...and then he decided to take off running when the cops and us showed up.

He got defib with 50k volts though. Is that a save? :lol: :D
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I always thought 50,000 volts was murder.
 
Hockey said:
I had an arrest tonight...and then he decided to take off running when the cops and us showed up.

He got defib with 50k volts though. Is that a save? :lol: :D
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Was it from your AED or the LEOs TASER.
 
So 3 years ago, I was in dispatch, and received a request for ALS from a neighboring town for a cardiac arrest, CPR in progress.

about 7 minutes later, PD called to cancel us.

the cops down there, did one round of CPR, then the patient got up and walked away.

apparently CPR does indeed save lives :P
 
Tasers are a wonderful invention that get a bad rap from the uneducated public and cocaine abusing people.
 
Are you trying to deny the constant pattern of tase --> arrest?

punny eh?
 
Linuss said:
Tasers are a wonderful invention that get a bad rap from the uneducated public and cocaine abusing people.
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thats the funniest thing ive heard all day lol
 
HotelCo said:
And officers who don't know when to keep it in the holster...
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Why should they keep them in the holster? They are a fantastic non-lethal tool that far exceeds all other non-lethal tools that they have at their disposal when it comes to controlling someone that needs to be controlled without collateral effects.



Like I said, they get a bad rap because of people like Amnesty International going "OMG they are electrocuting people and it's torture!!!"... when it's not.
 
Bugger me running, tonight I got punched in face by a 17 year old girl, had two people vomit on the stretcher and I don't even get paid as a volly event first aider. And somehow, I've come home with a grin on my face. I just love this ambulance stuff...hahaha.

Linuss said:
Tasers are a wonderful invention that get a bad rap from the uneducated public and cocaine abusing people.
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Yeah they are. But there are some coppers that aren't too quick between the wickets, and they don't quite realise that tasers should be considered "less than lethal", not "non-lethal". Its a pretty big difference in mindset. One says, "Its completely harmless, go nuts", the other says, "It sometimes has some pretty serious consequences, so just be a little careful". Its the difference between tasing a bloke who's had a few more beers than he should have and is being a little difficult, and tasing someone who would otherwise have been shot.

Its not a tool to make the average Friday night drunk pickup a bit more fun, nor a tool to repeatedly punish difficult frequent fliers. If you could get that through to the few hundred bad apples in a nation's worth of coppers, you'd have no drama whatsoever.

I'm as annoyed with the bloody weenies-who-whine-about-the-torture-of-tasers as the next reasonable bloke, but they aren't toys, and I don't think that message has been made unmistakably clear to some of the state's finest.
 
Melclin said:
Yeah they are. But there are some coppers that aren't too quick between the wickets, and they don't quite realise that tasers should be considered "less than lethal", not "non-lethal". Its a pretty big difference in mindset. One says, "Its completely harmless, go nuts", the other says, "It sometimes has some pretty serious consequences, so just be a little careful". Its the difference between tasing a bloke who's had a few more beers than he should have and is being a little difficult, and tasing someone who would otherwise have been shot.
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I hate this whole "It's not non-lethal" movement for a couple of things.

First, the Taser has never been a proven cause of death in anyone in the United States. There have been a few MEs that have ruled it was the cause, but never actually proved it and instead used the "Well, it wasn't this or this or this, so it had to have been the Taser", which is why some courts have told MEs they can't do that. Which is funny since the same MEs will say "Excited Delirium doesn't exist" yet state the cause of death was something they can't 100% prove...

And hell, in studies, the VAST majority of people (as in 99.7%) have had NO serious things happen. The other 0.3%? Rarities with conditions that happened... maybe the Taser precipitated events, but never deemed the cause. But hey, 99.&% is a pretty damn good number in my book... how many other things have that good of a "Bad things wont happen" percentage? You don't even have that just by driving down your residential street...




Second, the very definition of "Non-lethal" by way of the US DoDs definition, which is the one that matters, is something that is not intended to kill, not something that can't kill.
 
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OSHA says it takes 0.75 amps to cause Vfib.


The Taser emits 0.0036 amps. Heck, a Christmas tree light bulb does a full amp.




The problem that is derived from Tasers is the metabolic acidosis from the rapid contracting of skeletal muscles, and not the shock itself. However, I have never seen a single healthy person that wasn't fighting police die after a Taser was used. Every single death I've ever seen have been from people actively fighting the police (already increasing the lactate in their body). As we know, lactate isn't that good in huge numbers. But alas, it's unavoidable except for the person to not fight police.
 
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Linuss said:
I hate this whole "It's not non-lethal" movement for a couple of things.

First, the Taser has never been a proven cause of death in anyone. There have been a few MEs that have ruled it was the cause, but never actually proved it and instead used the "Well, it wasn't this or this or this, so it had to have been the Taser", which is why some courts have told MEs they can't do that.

And hell, in studies, the VAST majority of people (as in 99.7%) have had NO serious things happen. The other 0.3%? Rarities with conditions that happened... maybe the Taser precipitated events, but never deemed the cause. But hey, 99.&% is a pretty damn good number in my book... how many other things have that good of a "Bad things wont happen" percentage? You don't even have that just by driving down your residential street...




Second, the very definition of "Non-lethal" by way of the US DoDs definition, which is the one that matters, is something that is not intended to kill, not something that can't kill.
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Since when is 0.3% not something worth considering? How about morphine? What's its fatality rate? It's still worth taking seriously right?

Some significant illnesses have those rates. Many are contraindications or considerations for drugs. They are still very important.

The road death toll is the perfect example. What fraction of people die on roads? Bugger all, percentage wise. Yet buckets of people devote their time to reducing the road toll. The deaths on roads make the news just about every night. Safe driving is worthy of some consideration because of the potential risk of driving a ton of metal at 70mi/hr. In the same vein, we should show the same respect for the device the passes 50,000 volts through you body.

Their adverse affects may not be exceptionally well proven but the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Aside from that, their dangers make sense from a physiological and intuitive point of view, and that, at the very least, justifies considerable caution. Can you not admit that, based on the minor prevalence of congenital problems and some concern for the rare physiological affects, it is enough to simply encourage their responsible use? I'm really not at all against them, I just think they should be offered the respect they deserve. They are not shortcuts with people who could be talked down in 2 minutes and they are not instruments of punishment. This is only unclear to 0.3% of coppers, but its still a number worthy of consideration. I'm weary of a lack of responsibility on the part of some coppers regarding its use. Basically, I'm really just talking about the wording of a police college manual and an SOP collection, not the banning of tasers, hamburgers and liberty, so you can cool your jets.
 
Out of 25 years, hundreds of thousands, if not more, of Taserings, and only 240 deaths "linked" to Tasers yet no actual concrete proof. Yet the amount of lives saved cannot be counted, as every Tasering kept the officers from either going hands on or using actual lethal force.




Hell, how many thousands of civlians have used Tasers? How many civilians have been Tased? Yet not a single death. Look at all the officers that have been tased for training. Hell, I've been Tased. Not a single non-criminal death from a Taser. Ever.


The deaths "from" Tasers are truly blown way out of proportion, especially since each and every single one was a person fighting police.
 
Linuss said:
Hell, how many thousands of civlians have used Tasers? How many civilians have been Tased? Yet not a single death. Look at all the officers that have been tased for training. Hell, I've been Tased. Not a single non-criminal death from a Taser. Ever.
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ive been tased too and im still kickin. made 20 bucks out of the deal ;)
 
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