How to be a good leader in private EMS?

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So I was recently promoted to my states version of "paramedic in charge" --- I'm not a medic, but I am an ALS provider.

Anyway I guess I am looking for ways to be an effective leader, since I have an EMT under me and ultimately it's "my truck". I come from a fire department background, so I am used to giving and receiving "orders", however that doesn't translate well into civilian EMS-- everybody expects you to be their friend first, and that doesn't always equate to getting done what needs to be done. For instance I had a potentially unstable patient-- my gut told me something was wrong, and the patient had an altered LOC at baseline so for me there were too many "what if's"-- so I told my partner to proceed Priority to the hospital, and this person refused. It added a minute or two to my transport which in the end wasn't the end of the world, but the fact of the matter is, as the ALS provider its my call.

I'm not a hard-on for this job, frankly my usual attitude is "DILIGAF" except when it comes to those under my care. I'm friendly and the way I look at it, we're a crew/a team... but at the same time if my directions are being ignored by the lower level provider, then corrective measures are needed-- while the write up route is there, I'd much rather handle it in a "team huddle" that way nobody catches flak from management.

Any ideas how to be an effective "PIC" so that my truck runs smoothly and I can ensure the best care to my patients?

Thanks
 
Your truck, your rules. Sit down with your partner and tell him what you expect from him, and listen to what his "needs" are. In the end, you must do what YOU feel is best since you are the lead provider. If this guy continues to disregard your "orders" regarding pt care, get management involved. That person does not sound like he should be on a truck anyways.

Yes going to a private after being on a department presents certain issues with no real chain of command, but don't put yourself in a spot to get in trouble, or put your pt at risk. I am not solely basing this off of him not going priority to the hospital, maybe he just did not understand and needs some help learning. I'm saying all this if he continues to disregard your requests. Will just make for a bitter and dreaded partnership.
 
So I was recently promoted to my states version of "paramedic in charge" --- I'm not a medic, but I am an ALS provider.
Could you clarify this for the benefit of the forum? This seems to be oxymoronic without further explanation. The definition of an "ALS provider" is one that is able to provide a level of care outside of the EMT scope is it not?

As for handling general situations, I don't like the approach of being the "alpha". We don't open doors with shotguns.
I've tried to model my own flow with this talk:

If your partner delays care, that's a writeup. Or what Chewy said.
 
He's in Rhode Island, home of the cardiac tech, aka: "the almost medic"
 
Yes EMT cardiac, figured if said that, nobody would quite know what it was.

And yes, I've always taken the "we're partners, lets work as a team to do this" approach as a basic.... so I wanna continue that if I can.
 
Could you clarify this for the benefit of the forum? This seems to be oxymoronic without further explanation. The definition of an "ALS provider" is one that is able to provide a level of care outside of the EMT scope is it not?

As for handling general situations, I don't like the approach of being the "alpha". We don't open doors with shotguns.
I've tried to model my own flow with this talk:

If your partner delays care, that's a writeup. Or what Chewy said.
I assumed he was an intermediate, in texas (parts) they are ALS, while true medics are MICU.
But I forgot RI has cardiac as a level. Almost as asinine as the NY EMT-CC
 
I've ran Medic/Medic, Medic/Basic, Medic/Intermediate. Had times where I was the top dog, times the other guy was. When I'm in charge, My truck/my rules. I am taking care of the pt. in the back, I tell whoever is driving to step it up, they step it up. They can argue about it later if they didn't like it. If they are in the back taking care of the pt, and I am driving, their truck/their rules, doesn't matter if my patch is bigger, my Basic partner in the back tells me to step it up, I step it up. While I'm stepping it up I'll ask him if he needs me back there, needs me to call more hands in, whatever, but I ain't gonna tell him no and refuse to do it. I ended up friends with all my partners, whether I was the boss or not, but even though we were friends and partners, we all knew where the friend/boss line was, if you or your partner don't like an order, suck it up, follow it up, ***** about it later when the pt is gone.
 
Why would a paramedic EVER allow a basic to continue care for a patient that suddenly required an expedited transport?

Basic in back, medic driving, Patient gets worse, truck stops and medic gets in back.

Medic ALWAYS makes determination of patient care. It's always "your truck, your rules".
 
I'm still stuck on "DILIGAF."

I'm familiar with the gist of it, but not all of that one...

In any case, a good leader is probably the opposite of a "DILIGAF." That is to say, they give a ****.
 
Start by framing the question the best way you possibly can. "What should I do when someone doesn't listen to me?" Step 1 is to do some soul searching and get your ego out of it. Yes, officers have formal authority in the fire service, but it's a sad officer who has to rely on it to get others to listen to them.
 
In any case, a good leader is probably the opposite of a "DILIGAF." That is to say, they give a ****.

Exactly.

Anyone moron can say "my truck, I'm in charge, you do what I say", but asserting authority in that way has nothing at all to do with leadership.
 
So I have some time as I sip my coffee and decided I will take a stab at this. I am often in the middle of he said/she said and skewed perceptions and have had to referee for years and listen to what is said and sometimes more importantly, what is not said.

First, I commend you for reaching out to get advice on how to deal with what is actually a minor event right now but if left unaddressed, overtime it could grow with a whole lot of resentment from both sides, passive/aggressiveness and then becomes a major blowout. Having said all of that, there is some of YOUR comments I would like to address first. Often times with issues such as these, we fail to look at ourselves. What could WE have done differently to prevent the situation at hand.

Yes it sucks, I did not do anything wrong, I am right, he is wrong, blah blah blah. But once you back track step by step and truly keep an open mind to the fact that your words or actions could have contributed to the overall event, you will find yourself learning from it and then growing both professionally and personally. FYI...this little gem right here (self analysis) is one of the hallmarks of how to be a good leader.

Now, if you do not mind, I want to pick apart everything you wrote and offer my perspective which will be critical of you in some elements but again I only have your words to go on...but I offer this with plenty of experience and insight to support my analysis of you. Maybe you will learn and grow from it, maybe you won't. Maybe someone else reading this will benefit...


So I was recently promoted to my states version of "paramedic in charge" --- I'm not a medic, but I am an ALS provider.

How old are you? Yes, age does weigh against credibility (authority) as you have not gained enough real world experience to lead. It can develop, but it can be rough in the beginning. So your state promoted you? What about your service? Does your service just throw you on a truck and put you in charge with no leadership grooming? Do you have any guidelines on how to operate as the PIC?

This is an issue YOU need to bring forward to your service. You state to them "I am now in a leadership role, can I have a mentor on how to be a leader?" See, the weakness in the equation thus far is you. While your service has not provided this, what is stopping you from asking for it? If they do not have a program to address this, maybe you can generate interest and assist in developing the program. Here is another opportunity for you to learn and grow professionally.

Anyway I guess I am looking for ways to be an effective leader, since I have an EMT under me and ultimately it's "my truck". I come from a fire department background, so I am used to giving and receiving "orders", however that doesn't translate well into civilian EMS-- everybody expects you to be their friend first, and that doesn't always equate to getting done what needs to be done.

While being the senior medical on a truck does translate to it being "your truck", ultimately that is a horrible mindset. Healthcare is a team effort and you both are in the game. If something bad goes down, I assure you management and legal eagles will find a way to bring you both down. Ultimately, those types of situations are rare. Yes, there are cases in the national media but statistically speaking we are overly concerned with liability and whose arse is on the line far more than we should be.

If you have respect, camaraderie and transparency with your intent/communications...you will NEVER have to assert yourself as "in charge" and "this is my truck". Your partner will flip like a switch when needed and defer to your requests. To get to this point, you need to be more communicative and clear in your expectations PRIOR to anything occurring. YOU need to build the respect and demonstrate the potential to lead. None of this is yours by title, however it does seem you are implying/expecting that.

The people under you can make you or break you regardless of what title/rank/position you obtain. Never, ever forget that. No one at the top got their on their own and no one at the top remains there without support from below. At times it may seem these words are not true, but given enough time or the right situation and they will quickly be proven.

I think you need to work on professional courtesy versus friends. I have a very large staff, I am friendly with many of them. However, I keep it professionally friendly which is what it seems like you are desiring. Again, you do not have to be stern and unfriendly to lead and you do not need to be up in their business. Politeness and agreeableness will earn you a lot of respect and slowly grant you authority. When you "soft lead", people will appreciate it and give you more and more control/respect over them.
 
For instance I had a potentially unstable patient-- my gut told me something was wrong, and the patient had an altered LOC at baseline so for me there were too many "what if's"-- so I told my partner to proceed Priority to the hospital, and this person refused. It added a minute or two to my transport which in the end wasn't the end of the world, but the fact of the matter is, as the ALS provider its my call.

This is a bad example and reflects poorly on your competence and your ability to make judgement calls. First, either the patient is stable or he isn't..."potentially unstable" is malarkey. Everyone is potentially unstable. Your gut told you something...hoorah! What did your clinical assessment tell you? What did your vitals, your reassessment and review of medical history and comorbidities tell you? What interventions did you need to perform on this potentially unstable patient? There are a lot of "what ifs" on every single patient we touch.

Personally, I think you need a lot more education and experience in your newly acquired PIC role and maybe should focus on that before you start trying to bone up the leadership position and attitude based on that title? Make sense? You are in command now, you want to lead now, yet you display no competence (possibly) in your skills and education. That right there will cause people to give you zero respect and zero credibility.

So please, tell us what the follow up on the patient was? Also, you need to keep this in mind...you were not up front driving. Maybe your partner realized the situation was NOT safe to proceed as you were dictating. Maybe he/she was NOT comfortable driving faster? There are a lot of maybes with why they chose not to drive faster and you need to give consideration to that. Sure, they could have communicated that, however that was not the time as you had a potentially unstable patient and they were dealing with whatever reasons they had for not following your order.

Are you personally aware that expedited times have shown no benefit to the patient and have significantly increased risk to the providers (YOU and your partner) and the general public? There are a lot of studies, you should review them and learn. That 1-2 minutes "saved" would have ZERO benefit and 100% more risk...is it worth it?

I would challenge you on this "as an ALS provider it is my call"...I would posit that it is BOTH of you guy's call on whether or not to increase speed and risk. It would also go a long ways to increasing communication and garnering respect.

Example: Hey Joe, I do not feel good about this patient, is it safe for you to go lights and siren the rest of the way?
If yes, then proceed.
If no, call for intercept.
If no intercept, then monitor the basics and treat accordingly.

I'm not a hard-on for this job, frankly my usual attitude is "DILIGAF" except when it comes to those under my care.

Piss poor attitude. If your usual attitude is "Do I look like I give a Fkcu" then you sir are a problem. If you want to be a better leader, then practice it and actually give a F*. A good leader is someone who is always leading, not just on the calls. They are leading in and around the station when there is no adrenaline infused excitement. They are the ones who double check equipment, clean equipment/rig, clean station, check paperwork and in general have a nice attitude, not one that makes you question if they give a F or not.

I would have zero respect for you myself as well, if you have this attitude and only try to flex authority when you think it is warranted. You sound misguided right now with regards on when and how to lead. Lead by example. Do not give directions on something you yourself would not do...and jump in and do it yourself.

Example: When I visit some of my facilities, everyone is on top of it. Inevitably I always find something but instead of being an ***, I start fixing whatever it is. Sure, that only lasts about 30 seconds, but I never have to say a word. They know, they remove the rag from my hand or pick up whatever I started and then they get it done. Lesson achieved without saying a word or feelings getting hurt.

I'm friendly and the way I look at it, we're a crew/a team... but at the same time if my directions are being ignored by the lower level provider, then corrective measures are needed-- while the write up route is there, I'd much rather handle it in a "team huddle" that way nobody catches flak from management.

You say you are a team however I did not get that from all the paragraphs above this one. You need to be PROACTIVE and not REACTIVE which is where you are right now. Fix yourself for starters. Then have a chat as I said earlier. Lay out the expectations when there is nothing else going on. Then when something does happen, you both know where each other stands.

What you need to do is have a sit down and bring up the situation. Say, "Hey the other day when I asked you to go lights and sirens and you chose not to, I was really perplexed why you chose not to...was there anything going on I was not aware of?" Then shut up....you posed a problem, you made the problem potentially about you and now you let the person speak. No defensive attitude, no interruptions, let their words flow. You might be surprised what you hear. After they are done, then you calmly need to say..."Look, in the future we need to communicate better. I do have the expectation that when I request a speedier drive that you will do it. I am asking because I am uncomfortable or something bad is going down. If there is any reason why you think we should not go faster, I need you to tell me right there so I can then go to Plan B".

Any ideas how to be an effective "PIC" so that my truck runs smoothly and I can ensure the best care to my patients?

Yes...read everything I wrote and then read it again.
 
Good to know. I have several irons in the fire, details forthcoming. In the meantime, reach out to me via PM and get my email address, then we go from there. Step one of seeing who is serious and can follow instructions. LOL
 
The apathetic, "cool guy" medic is not the person you want to emulate. That person does not demonstrate competency, they just demonstrate that they don't freak out. Competence and calmness are not one in the same. The guy that does not care and does nothing with his critical patients (and therefore does not directly contribute to deterioration) is much worse to have around than the person that appears a bit high strung when he's got a critical patient on his hands that needs timely treatment. Sometimes you can't be super-chill-bro on scene, sometimes things need to get done.

I would much rather have someone take charge of a situation than just drive to the hospital because they don't want to make waves.
 
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