How do you deal with child suicide?

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Some of the stuff I have gone to on medic clinicals and as a part-time EMT are rough but manageable and I can do my job and move on. However all of the runs I have gone on has not prepared me for a young child taking their own life. Most of the calls don't bother me, this one keeps lingering, not constantly but enough for me to type up this thread.

I do fun and exciting things outside work and try to find things to occupy my time and to relax when needed.

Anyhow, I just need some advice on how to cope. I want to talk to my wife about it, but I am afraid I will just worry her.

Thanks
 
Like every call. Review briefly how you treated. If you see a mistake learn from it. Then move on. If you dwell on it it will bother you. Remember death is death old or young and as long as you did what you could nothing to worry about.

If it does bother you might talk with someone more experienced and aware of the situation in your area. If it continues to bother you seek professional help. If unable to learn to move on after bad calls then you may have to leave EMS.
 
drink heavily? but never alone, that's a sign you have a problem.

go out with your coworkers. they have been there, they can help you if you talk to them.

I would avoid the wife, because she won't know what it's like to deal with it.

but def talk to your bosses, senior people, partners, coworkers, and if all else fails, CISD (even though some sources say it doesn't do any good).

btw, that heavy drinking, not a good idea.
 
If you feel it isnt something that is going away and and its becoming disruptive to day to day activities. You could speak with a professional. This stuff can linger and I have witnessed it eat pople alive. DOnt let it get to that point. As far as your wife, I do speak with mine she doesnt need to know the details but talking with her always makes me feel better.

We are human and understanding that something may not be right is the first step

Good luck.

Also know you are not alone.
 
Speaking as a cop's wife and without experience in EMS, I suggest finding a way to talk to your wife, without details if you think she can't handle them, because most wives know when there is something wrong. Having your husband shut you out of his emotional pain cam have an erosive effect on the foundation of your relationship.
 
Speaking as a cop's wife and without experience in EMS, I suggest finding a way to talk to your wife, without details if you think she can't handle them, because most wives know when there is something wrong. Having your husband shut you out of his emotional pain cam have an erosive effect on the foundation of your relationship.

I think that is some pretty sound advice danigirl
 
My mentor was deeply affected for the first time responding to 15 year-old hanging victim. This is after he had spent years in the field, responding to all sorts of ugly plane crashes recovering bodies (parts really) and other suicide calls. For some reason it hit a nerve. Sometimes there's something about a call that just strikes us, even if we've been on thousands of uglier calls before. I think that's important to recognize. Perhaps identifying why exactly this call sticks out to you can help you understand why you're feeling the way that you do.

He has found that discussing it with the people who were actually present on the call was helpful. He uses the story every year to open our discussion on managing stress and CISD for the newbs. I think processing and relating the story in a productive manner helps him.

I can tell you that personally with the one call that's ever bugged me, I kept it under the surface for a long time. Finally one night I let it all loose to my boyfriend at the time, had a good cry, and felt better. After that I talked to a few people in the field including who were on the call about it, wrote about it a bit, and I feel ok about it today. When I think about it, which is relatively rare now almost 3 years later, I reflect that is sad but in the same way that most of those routine sad things are.
 
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Some of the stuff I have gone to on medic clinicals and as a part-time EMT are rough but manageable and I can do my job and move on. However all of the runs I have gone on has not prepared me for a young child taking their own life. Most of the calls don't bother me, this one keeps lingering, not constantly but enough for me to type up this thread.

I do fun and exciting things outside work and try to find things to occupy my time and to relax when needed.

Anyhow, I just need some advice on how to cope. I want to talk to my wife about it, but I am afraid I will just worry her.

Thanks

Yes. That does suck. Paramedic does not train you on how to cope with it.

How old is the child? I only ask because our attitudes are completely our choice. Therefore suicide is also choice.

Afraid you'll worry your wife? Odds are she already knows something's wrong and she's worried anyway. Talk to with her. You married her for a reason. 2 are stronger than 1.

Speaking as a cop's wife and without experience in EMS, I suggest finding a way to talk to your wife, without details if you think she can't handle them, because most wives know when there is something wrong. Having your husband shut you out of his emotional pain cam have an erosive effect on the foundation of your relationship.
 
Yes. That does suck. Paramedic does not train you on how to cope with it.

How old is the child? I only ask because our attitudes are completely our choice. Therefore suicide is also choice.

Afraid you'll worry your wife? Odds are she already knows something's wrong and she's worried anyway. Talk to with her. You married her for a reason. 2 are stronger than 1.

12 y/o female was the age. It is not affecting my day to day activities, sometimes I just find myself thinking about it. There was nothing I could have done anyhow. Thanks for all the advice, maybe it will only stick with me a little bit more.

The main thing that bothered me was the way her room was setup. A bunch of "D" and "F" graded papers around and some old christmas and birthday cards. Her parents were having marital issues apparently when I overhead one of them talking to an officer.
 
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Nothing can train you for this.

Be sure you do your best, and then accept that and give yourself some credit.

Then, talk to your partner, use the resources your work may offer, and if you need more help, get it. If you talk to your wife, approach it from the aspect of "something upset me at work, can we talk about it?".

You might also do some book study on suicide. Most or much of our reactions have societal conditioning at their roots, and not a good factual, clinical based outlook.
Just as many folks who are mentally ill experience some relief when they can just relax and stop acting normal for a while, it is good to talk to a professional and explore the feelings, misconceptions and the facts we all harbor towqards this sad event.
 
Remembering isnt a problem, I remember a lot of calls, the key is its done on your terms? If it begins to consume you then it needs to be dealt with.
 
Talk to your wife, and a therapist, if you need it. Drinking isn't gonna help.

Remembering isnt a problem, I remember a lot of calls, the key is its done on your terms? If it begins to consume you then it needs to be dealt with.

Sound advice.

MSDeltaFlt said:
How old is the child? I only ask because our attitudes are completely our choice. Therefore suicide is also choice.

Highly debatable. If you don't see any other options left, is it really a choice?

Very few people would choose to be depressed. Often, there's a reason for it (I'm including mental illness that appears more or less on its own). Once there, most can't just choose to get better, or we'd see a lot less of a problem--being depressed is not a particularly pleasant state, and sufferers don't enjoy it. They can learn how to create a choice for themselves, but most need some help to figure that out.
 
Highly debatable. If you don't see any other options left, is it really a choice?


This. I've helped more than a fair share of people through those times. Many times they feel "trapped" or "forced" into the decision of suicide, because they don't believe a better option exists. Look at that poor girl from the news, who hanged herself after being bullied at school... She didn't see an option to get out. We all know there were options, but SHE didn't see them. The sun's always brighter outside than inside, right?



Rhan, I've never been at a scene like that, but I have an idea of the effects it can have on people. As others said, I'm sure your wife has already noticed, and is already worried. Talk to her about it. If anything, atleast admit to her that yes, something from work is bothering you, and it's not her fault, and she doesn't need to be exposed to it if she doesn't want to be.

From there, like others said, talk to your partner, your coworkers, your supervisors. This was the best advice, right here -

DrParasite said:
go out with your coworkers. they have been there, they can help you if you talk to them.
 
A painful texture of grief

Kids, as we all are, are products of their environment, but they are a bit more vulnerable because they are unformed as yet and haven't developed the understanding, rationalizations or denials the rest of us have in order to insulate ourselves from the assaults of living.

Kids are impressionable and deeply affected by their peers. A recent research indicates that the family influences the behaviors and world views of children far LESS than that of their peers. Their opinions, minor to us, can be quite devastating to them.

Kids are also more likely to make mistakes; whereas an adult takes 50 Valium and knocks him or herself out for a half day, a kid taking far less can do himself in. This kid slipped through the cracks.

Of course, like in all suicides, we're the ones left to suffer because all we can do is ask "Why?" and never find the true answer.

But PEOPLE commit suicide. Most of them do it slowly and almost imperceptibly. The ones who pull the plug quick are the ones who stick in our craws. When it comes to kids, it rips us apart.

Regardless, I'll gamble in this case the child got some half-baked ideas into his/her head, thought an action would stop whatever the pressure was and really didn't know that death could happen, or if that knowledge was there, that death means DEATH.

The child of an ex-partner of mine, only about 11 years old, did that. Everybody asked the same questions as when adults do the act. Everybody got the same answer; Nobody will ever know.

What other conclusion can you come to other than "Such things happen, and for no damn good reason."

But, see, the kid is doing fine now, you're the one left holding the bag. There's something standing between you and resolution; you need to move the energy. All the drugs in the world will not dull the painful edge.

Right now, all your trauma is wrapped up tight as a knot in your belly. Before you can begin to sort through YOUR experiences, that needs some loosening. I encourage you to find a safe place and people with whom you can express the raw emotion of your trauma.

Yes, I'm saying it's okay to cry, scream, rage; just get it out. Half of what you're probably going through is the fear that if you start, you won't be able to stop, or if you express honestly and to the degree you really feel it, someone will get hurt. The way it works is e-motion is energy in motion. If you stop its flow, it eats at you.

The process can usually run full-circle in about an hour and there ARE people out there with experience who can facilitate your process. Emotions come and go. Opening the floodgates produces a surge that most likely will subside quickly, often leading into other emotions, surprisingly different than the one you were so scared of, and then to a place where you can become more clear.

The person getting hurt now is you. No reason to accelerate a downward spiral. It is sure to trickle down on those you love, as you imply has already begun. There are grief counselors out there to start with, and now, the most important thing you can do is TALK until you get that what you experienced was real!

You WILL come to terms with this eventually. You're dealing with getting over the initial shock right now and the shock and its impact is very real and appropriate for who you are.

There are those who will say "Buck up!" but I say you can work through it. Yes, it means going through some pain, but it'll just be a different form of what you're already experiencing. The name of the game is to shorten it!

And your greatest resource (assuming all is reasonably well with you guys and you feel safe) is your wife. She WANTS to know -- not your "secrets" but who you are inside. She deserves to be part of your working through this so you can get to know each other better. You're not living in a vacuum anymore.

Feel free to send me a personal message. I'll be happy to talk to you by phone for a while.
 
firetender hit some points I didn't clearly state. Thanks!

Sometimes kids kill themselves and it isn't what we classically think of as "suicide". Again, our culture lumps together everyone who willfully precipitates actions that end their life. I contend that a modern day so-called "martyrdom warrior" or WWII kamikaze pilot is not equivalent to a 50 y/o alcoholic alone in a flophouse sleeper or a teenager feeling alone and unloved because of romantic and/or peer rejection.

One youth suicide will sometimes precipitate a spate of them. The media amplifies this and reacts with articles decrying the "rising tide of teen sucides". (The absolute nujmber is always rising here, but is the percentile? Not likely).

Do not wait until you are in trouble; or, if you are, get help ASAP, starting with a professional.

And, cut the ETOH.
Take care.
 
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