Hot Take?


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People who have not fallen into an addiction have no idea of what it is. It does not matter if it is titled a disease. What does matter is that choice is thrown out the window once one has succumbed to it. The point of delineation between falling into addiction and having succumbed is very grey and the time frame can vary greatly. For some people it may take years to develop a full blown addiction and for others the first involvement with the object of their desire can spiral them deep into addiction immediately. No matter the time frame once someone falls into addiction the ability to chose is lost to the sense of "this is the answer to my situation, and nothing else will work". For some people life is very difficult to bear, so difficult that the idea of something that will ease the pain by even the smallest amount is worth any and all consequences. The thought that "this might kill me" is not even in the equation or it is simply a passing thought. Anyone who thinks that an addict considers that the thing of his addiction would kill him or that something such as driving drunk is "dangerous", obviously has no understanding of addiction. There are two forms of addiction The Physical and The Mental. Physical addiction is when the body develops a need for a substance and the body experiences physiological reactions to the lack of something. This happens after some sustained period of use of some substance. Mental addiction is something altogether different however. Mental addiction is manifest as an obsession which blocks out all other thought processes. The addict can only focus on one thought "I MUST have this thing" it will fix me. There does not need to be any rational thought process behind this thinking, it is what it is. All addictive behavior begins with the mental obsession.

The only way to arrest this "THING" is with a complete psychic change. To try to "scare" someone into stopping addictive behavior is a fools play. I have no idea for sure but I would be willing to bet a lot of money that most if not all of the contestants on that TV show Intervention are continuing their addictive behavior. No one is going to make any change in their life unless they want to. When it comes to addictive behavior, generally the only reason someone makes a decision to change is because their "fix" no longer fixes things (and has not for a very long time). An addict will chase a shadow of a dream for a long time because maybe the next time "it will work"

There is a whole lot to this subject it could (and does) fill volumes. the problem is that nobody other than an addict will ever understand it and they don't totally grasp it either.

Bruce Gormley

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I would think that knowing this, would-be 911 callers would just call EMS directly, and then what would you do. I know i'd respond.

Salty Fox

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I haven't even passed my registry yet, so I can't claim a deep insight into EMS or any sort of experience outside of the fact that I know some addicts personally, but the concept that we wouldn't treat people who needed it seems to imply a deficit of compassion antithetical to what I believe EMS is supposed to stand for.

I understand that a lot of people in this business become jaded after being exposed to the worst that humanity has to offer on a daily basis, but are we not called upon to be better than that? Denying your EMS providers a chance to help everyone they can seems like a slippery slope.


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Stop sending EMS to respond to overdose calls, Ohio councilman says
Some Ohio councilman wants to find a way to stop sending EMS on OD calls because the city is spending too much money on Narcan.
I'm not sure how the replies to this post have even gotten to the point where this has become a discussion... What's scary about this "discussion" is that it primarily involves EMS personnel...who are entertaining the idea that certain circumstances (or patients) shouldn't be helped. This is a conversation for people outside of EMS. Outside of healthcare. Those are the people who are supposed to be wasting their time debating over who should live or die, which problems are more important than other problems etc. Whether or not you feel certain people are a "burden to society" or if they meet your personal standard of "responsibility and accountability" has absolutely nothing to do with your responsibility- to HELP them. We can go on and on about the problems with addiction treatments, the amount of users who don't stay clean etc. We can go on and on about whether or not an addiction is a disease, and even throw in a "REAL disease" that we have to deal with in our families, and how that's "more important" than a drug addict's problems.
Or we can choose to step aside from the ignorance and leave that to the general public. I'm shocked at the hot takes people have with the use of narcan and drug addiction in general. Not from the general population, but from the people who they call when they dial 911. Who cares how many times you've been to the same location for the same patient? Until you come up with a solution that doesn't involve punishing people for needing help "too many times," you can keep doing your job and treat these emergencies for what they are: emergencies.


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What about the hard-of-seeing grandmother who takes a wrong medication, or maybe too little? Poor Grandma Eugene is lumped into the same legal category as John the Junkie shooting heroin? Because as far as I know, both scenarios are OD's?

Mike Hammer

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All I am saying is that Darwinism is simple.

I have little sympathy for someone who would repeatedly go out of their way to knowingly harm themselves just because they know that at their demise someone will be there to rescue them, so that they can do the same thing again tomorrow.

That is completely different than doing something once or twice or three times, or making a mistake or having an accident...
These people are parasites on our society. Contribute nothing and demand everything.

On top of that, it's not free.
I am not in the "healthcare is a right" category.
I would not deny someone healthcare, but I decline to pay for it in some cases.

I'm not to judge anyone... if I show up I'll do my job. I'd rather have never been dispatched in the first place.
That's a tough stance. Complicated topic..I'm not sure if most people who aren't compromised in another way are just going out of their way to harm themselves for the fun of it. Sounds like you have some rough connection to the topic...Mostly I wanted to say I'm sorry you've had to have so much substance abuse so close in your life. That's tough stuff!