Have you ever assessed a dog on scene of a MVC

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I just wanted to see if anyone has ever been asked at a minor car wreck if you could look over their dog. I know we aren't vets, but maybe simply telling them to get the dog to the vet is some comfort. Or for obvious injuries some bandages and stabilization is in order. Many dogs like to ride in back of trucks and the usually get thrown out even with minor accidents.
 
rhan101277 said:
I just wanted to see if anyone has ever been asked at a minor car wreck if you could look over their dog. I know we aren't vets, but maybe simply telling them to get the dog to the vet is some comfort. Or for obvious injuries some bandages and stabilization is in order. Many dogs like to ride in back of trucks and the usually get thrown out even with minor accidents.
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Best thing you can do is put it back on the dog owners. Ask them to look at their dog. What is it's demeanor? Is it acting normally? Is the tail wagging? Watch the dog walk, is it limping or favoring a leg? Advise them to watch Fido and if they have any doubts, take it to the vet.
 
I'm not a vet so no. You can get in trouble for practicing vet med w/o a license and your medical doc can not authorize you to do it unless also a vet.

I have heard of some services that have had a vet establish some protocols for animal care.
 
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I don't approach injured animals especially if I am unfamiliar with them. I'm not going to get bit because they were idiots and let the dog ride in the truck bed.
 
Sasha said:
I don't approach injured animals especially if I am unfamiliar with them. I'm not going to get bit because they were idiots and let the dog ride in the truck bed.
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Yeah when some dogs are hurt they like to bite. Mine got ran over and rolled under the car but was luckily not seriously injured. Upon taking it to the vet, when she was examined she showed her teeth, but didn't growl. Just did a little lip curling.
 
Went to what turned out to be a fatality rollover last fall. The guy was pinned to the ground by his truck, but we could not even get close to assess him because his three dogs were maintaining a good 30 foot circle around him and not letting anyone in. Eventually, a friend of his showed up and was able to remove the dogs. But they made it very clear that if we had approached the rig we would have been in trouble.
 
lightsandsirens5 said:
Went to what turned out to be a fatality rollover last fall. The guy was pinned to the ground by his truck, but we could not even get close to assess him because his three dogs were maintaining a good 30 foot circle around him and not letting anyone in. Eventually, a friend of his showed up and was able to remove the dogs. But they made it very clear that if we had approached the rig we would have been in trouble.
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That is insane.
 
If your safety is not at risk by it, I cant see the harm in some basic first aid such as applying a dressing to a bleeding wound, or giving the owner some 4x4's for the dogs wound.
I have read story's of the fire department doing rescue breathing or cpr on dogs.
If you go that far or further I wonder if a law like good sam would protect you?
 
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well not a quite a dog but still an interesting pic. and no I have never had to asses a dog at an MVC, in fact being a huge animal advocate I'd probably have a much harder time assesing a seriously injured animal vs. a person
 
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terrible one said:
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well not a quite a dog but still an interesting pic. and no I have never had to asses a dog at an MVC, in fact being a huge animal advocate I'd probably have a much harder time assesing a seriously injured animal vs. a person
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Ya but you have to remember those are HERO firefighters in that picture.. Heck they might have even gotten a medal for that. (Laughing)
 
Hope they don't place that contaminated O2 on any humans.
 
reaper said:
How is it contaminated?
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How do we know it's not? In fact how are we sure that we are not harming patients with diseases from other human patients?
 
medic417 said:
How do we know it's not? In fact how are we sure that we are not harming patients with diseases from other human patients?
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Common sense and laws of physics! The gas coming out is under pressure. Unless your pt is exhaling at extremely high pressures, nothing is going back into the tank!;)
 
reaper said:
Common sense and laws of physics! The gas coming out is under pressure. Unless your pt is exhaling at extremely high pressures, nothing is going back into the tank!;)
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Really how high a pressure is there at 2 lpm?
 
medic417 said:
Really how high a pressure is there at 2 lpm?
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Normal atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi. A study on the maximum static inspiratory and expiratory pressures with different lung volumes shows
In men, maximum expiratory pressure increased with volume from 63 to 97 cmH2O and maximum inspiratory pressure decreased with volume from 97 to 39 cmH2O.
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1 psi is equal to 70.306 957 83 centimeter of water.

Pressure in the o2 tank could be anywhere from 500-2000psi. While I do not know what the pressure in the oxygen tubing at 2lpm would be, i would imagine it would be irrelevant as the pressure in the o2 tank is, at a minimun 500 psi, which is significantly greater than any expiratory pressure that could be generated by human (or dog) lungs.



....sounds like yet another question for vent....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1501025/
http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/content/98/6/1530.full.pdf
 
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i remember one of our paramedics coming in to the ER after an MVA to check on the transported patient and to tell us a little more of the on-scene story... a PIG was ejected from the back of a pickup truck. the paramedic on scene said when they had the patient secure, he went over to take a look at the pig - said it was guppy breathing, and shortly after, spontaneous respirations ceased. no attempt was made to revive the pig.

true story.

only in south carolina.
 
Mmm... bacon.
 
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