Had a Code 3 80 YO M Pt. yesterday

Nahh, fairly sure they don't lol. If your willing to call BS on management, no matter how politely, they won't miss you :D.

I'm shocked. I havem't gotten a single call or text, even from dispatch, since I left. My phone has been utterly quiet, it's eerie. :rofl:
 
What did the pupils look like? People walk around with Afib all the time....
 
Did fire only do a finger stick?

Was the pt. normally altered?

If not, onset < 3 hours?

Dementia?

Hx of traumatic or non traumatic brain injury?
 
Im thinking you all scared him away... good going guys and gals now we will never know the real story!!!! :D
 
I wasn't scared away, I was looking for help because I am a Student I got nothing but crap from everyone and hardly any insight so I gave up on the post. I got help with this patient from my instructors and other paramedics that I can see face to face.
 
I saw little crap, lots of questions in an attempt to narrow down a diagnosis though...
 
I wasn't scared away, I was looking for help because I am a Student I got nothing but crap from everyone and hardly any insight so I gave up on the post. I got help with this patient from my instructors and other paramedics that I can see face to face.

Grow a thicker skin, dude. No one talked down to you.

The assessment as pretty much already been covered. I'm thinking urosepsis, or cardiogenic shock secondary to an MI (maybe, possibly?) CVA is possible but I don't really see how new onset a-fib would have time to form a clot, then throw it, the blood needs time to pool and clot.
 
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If you thought you were getting crap, then you really must spend some more time around here...you haven't seen anything yet.

We asked questions about the post and got no feedback, there was nobody being a jerk to you.


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Maybe a stroke due to AF throwing a clot?

Exactly what I was thinking. New onset AFIB could throw a clot and cause the lack of responsiveness.

If it was me, High Flow O2 for Cardiac/Neuro, monitor and transport. If he was responsive and field stroke assessment had yielded a positive inclination for stroke, initial dosing of TPA could be indicated..... only if he was alert and responsive though.
 
You went to your instructor and peers...good!

As an a-fib subject and former EMT employee of American (now Omaha) Ambulance...
1. Atrial fib can cause LOC in a few ways, ranging from CVA, to evolving/eventual cardiac failure.
2. Syncope upon standing up leading to fall and head-plant on floor or furniture.
3. Anytime you see a pt in a nursing home suspect polypharmacy, or infrequently adjusted meds. He could be overdosed on beta blockers, or ingesting a combination of meds that will drop him.
4. Atrial fib can be so irregularly-irregular that it confounds electronic monitors and and can be hard to characterize in charting. SOme EKG recognition software will even label it "occasional PVC's". Palpated BP with a-fib is basically worthless in one sense, BUT palpated pulse can give a rough feel for how many effective beats per minute are occurring.

If the glucose is normal and the airway is patent/pt is breathing, can name any other unconscious states you can solve on scene? Especially sitting in a nursing care facility? Get and go, you are going to do that anyway, and especially since you aren't out in Cherry County somewhere with a two hour ride to a hospital. (Who was your receiving hospital, by the way?).
 
Maybe this, maybe that... Treat your pt not your monitor.

Stupid line.

Tell usalsfyre that and see what he has to say about it. No wait, I'll just tell you what he told me:

The monitor is a tool used in conjunction with a thorough patient assessment as well as other tools to form treatments and differential dxs.
 
Again, what in a four minute drive can be done?

1. Any LOC is going to the hospital.
2. It is four minutes away.
3. Blood glucose was WNL, airway was patent and pt was breathing.

Everything else is academic.
 
Stupid line.

Tell usalsfyre that and see what he has to say about it. No wait, I'll just tell you what he told me:

The monitor is a tool used in conjunction with a thorough patient assessment as well as other tools to form treatments and differential dxs.


Exactly, telling someone to basically not pay attention to what they see on the monitor is ludicrous, why even put the monitor on if you're just going to discard it's findings? We need to use all of our tools in conjunction to treat a patient, that includes our mind, our monitor, and whatever else we may have.
 
Your learning well grasshoppers :D

(Yes, I really do hate that cliche and have for most of my career. So does JPINFV, he wrote a heck of a blog post about it. Two words "clinical correlation". Look it up).
 
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