Ground Zero Mosque

My thoughts are this: We, as a people, have a long way to go before anything like this would be done/built/what-have-you without a second thought.

We are not where we say we are, want to be, or even wish/dream to be. We are still learning/growing/maturing.
 
Let's erect a statue in honor of Tim McVey in Oklahoma City while we are at it.

I think it is horrible.
 
Let's erect a statue in honor of Tim McVey in Oklahoma City while we are at it.

I think it is horrible.

And this non sequitur is relevant how? Oh wait, answered my own question. Not relevant to the discussion, no where near comparing apples to apples.
 
Sorry, but you just pushed ignorance out there.

I don't think anything Islamic should be put anywhere near ground zero. This might be racist, but I honestly do not care.
 
I am just going to quit this thread right now, because the only things I have to say about this are pretty much racist and I don't want to offend anyone or bring that here to EMT life. Therefore, I am just going to leave this thread to you all.
 
I don't think anything Islamic should be put anywhere near ground zero. This might be racist, but I honestly do not care.

And the one question the people against it have not answered is how close is too close? Where is the line drawn for construction?

Also, several of the links and info provided have shown that there are already "Islamic things" in the area as well as titty bars, regular bars, lingerie shops, tacky souvenirs, adult bookstores, the list goes on and on...are these things too "close" to Ground Zero?
 
I don't think anything Islamic should be put anywhere near ground zero. This might be racist, but I honestly do not care.

See this is where I am torn. I try to keep an open mind, but deep down I agree with medicRob, and want to give him kudos for voicing this against a crowd of apposing voices.

I go back and forth on my feelings on the issue..... sometimes I see it as offensive to all the families of those that died on 9/11 and sometimes I see it as outrageous, though I still don't think we should be able to ban building it based on religion..
 
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And the one question the people against it have not answered is how close is too close? Where is the line drawn for construction?

Also, several of the links and info provided have shown that there are already "Islamic things" in the area as well as titty bars, regular bars, lingerie shops, tacky souvenirs, adult bookstores, the list goes on and on...are these things too "close" to Ground Zero?

I think titty bars, regular bars, even a satanic church is different than an islamic church.
 
Let's erect a statue in honor of Tim McVey in Oklahoma City while we are at it.

I think it is horrible.

A mosque (which is in this case actually a community center with a prayer room) is no more a statue of honor for 9/11 than a church is a statue of honor for abortion clinic terrorism.
 
A mosque (which is in this case actually a community center with a prayer room) is no more a statue of honor for 9/11 than a church is a statue of honor for abortion clinic terrorism.

even TIME magazine is referring to the building as a mosque. I thought there were plans to build a mosque/ islamic culture center?

I also remember reading a proposition to build a multi culture center which was denied by Rauf.
 
I think titty bars, regular bars, even a satanic church is different than an islamic church.

Of course, they are all different but do you think any of these are a tribute to 9/11 or disrespectful to 9/11? How close should they be allowed to such hallowed ground?
 
even TIME magazine is referring to the building as a mosque. I thought there were plans to build a mosque/ islamic culture center?

I also remember reading a proposition to build a multi culture center which was denied by Rauf.

Of course they are...certainly helps sell magazines for sure! Got to run with the catchy titles as that is what sells!
 
Blaming the entire Muslim religion for 9/11, is like blaming the entire Japanese population for Pearl Harbor. It is idiotic to think that way.

I see plenty of Catholic churches built by daycare centers. No one is screaming about that?
 
I think titty bars, regular bars, even a satanic church is different than an islamic church.

How?

I'll admit, I was originally in the, "I'm not really for it, but hey, 1st Amendment of the US Constitution is the trump card against trying to ban it." However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it's straight up bigotry than anything else. Muslims already pray in the Pentagon. There's a Shinto Shrine near Pearl Harbor. There's already a small Islamic prayer center 4 blocks away from Ground Zero (and also predates the opening of the WTC). However, no one has answered the "How close is too close?" question. Additionally, does it make any sense at all to have an ____ Exclusion Zone because other people with the same religion (hell, in the name of the same religion even) did terrible things. Are Christians justified in demanding that the Jews leave Jerusalem because of Christ and subsequent terrorism against early Christians? Do blacks in the Southern States get to demand no white churches because of the KKK? Where does this end?

"First they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me."

You know what's interesting about that statement? It was written by a Lutheran priest who initially welcomed the rise of Hitler and the persecution of the Jews, only to later spend 7 years at concentration camps because he began to protest the Nazi policy of state supremacy over religion. God help us if our first step is to replace "socialist" with "Muslim" over blind fear and hatred of a group of people because a minority of them in other countries are terrorists. God help us all.
 
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even TIME magazine is referring to the building as a mosque. I thought there were plans to build a mosque/ islamic culture center?

I also remember reading a proposition to build a multi culture center which was denied by Rauf.

Is the YMCA a church or devoted to exploring multiple religions?
 
Of course, they are all different but do you think any of these are a tribute to 9/11 or disrespectful to 9/11? How close should they be allowed to such hallowed ground?

no, I don't feel that any of these buildings are disrespectful in the same manner as a mosque or an islamic trade center.

Is there any reason why they can not find a less controversial location for their mosque? Governor Paterson has offered state owned property to the developerts of park 51 if they were to agree to an alternate location.

Despite developers claims, I do not believe this building (in the current proposed location) will breed religious tolerance, but will be cause of further intolerance.
 
no, I don't feel that any of these buildings are disrespectful in the same manner as a mosque or an islamic trade center.

Is there any reason why they can not find a less controversial location for their mosque? Governor Paterson has offered state owned property to the developerts of park 51 if they were to agree to an alternate location.

Despite developers claims, I do not believe this building (in the current proposed location) will breed religious tolerance, but will be cause of further intolerance.

Again, how close is too close? They are two blocks away. It will be a building which looks like all the other buildings. No big domes, no minarets...funny thing is, no one cared about this thing back in December when preliminary plans were approved. Come election time, seems it suddenly becomes a serious issue.
 
Again, how close is too close? They are two blocks away. It will be a building which looks like all the other buildings. No big domes, no minarets...funny thing is, no one cared about this thing back in December when preliminary plans were approved. Come election time, seems it suddenly becomes a serious issue.

I have no idea. It is a sensitive issue and I have no solution for it.
 
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