Give me a differental, please...

[CAOX3]

You cant take this job serious if your not a medic.

You cant be professional if your not a medic.

If you are an EMT it must be a hobby or a fad.

A little condescending no?

If your opinion, acceptance and approval meant anything to me. I think I might be pissed at theses statements.

 

[VentMedic]

You cant take this job serious if your not a medic.

You cant be professional if your not a medic.

If you are an EMT it must be a hobby or a fad.

A little condescending no?

If your opinion, acceptance and approval meant anything to me. I think I might be pissed at theses statements.

If you want to discuss education and medicine at an appreciable level, it is best to seek more medical education. If you want to be successful at processing information for a differential, you need more knowledge than what the EMT-B provides and in many cases what the Paramedic programs are providing. Disease processes don't care whether you are an EMT-B or a Paramedic. Do you think the 1st year physician resident has the same knowledge as the attendings or fellows? The difference between them and some EMT-Bs is they know what they don't know and accept the challenge to learn. They don't cry foul every time someone gives them more information than they can immediately process. I do believe at least a couple EMT-Bs on this forum are researching some of the things mentioned on this thread and will have learned something. Others are still missing the point of more education and how it affects patient care.

 

[sir.shocksalot]

If you want to discuss education and medicine at an appreciable level, it is best to seek more medical education.

So are you saying EMTs shouldn't be on this forum? And at what point of medical education is the line drawn?

 

[VentMedic]

So are you saying EMTs shouldn't be on this forum? And at what point of medical education is the line drawn?

Even a physician does not stop his/her education. Those that believe the EMT-B is all there is, and also bash Paramedics, nurses or doctors, have stopped their education. These are the ones that get upset if something is mentioned that makes them think a little which shouldn't be out of their scope of practice even if they are not doing an additional "skill". They may however provide a better assessment and have a better understanding of what is involved in patient care.

 

[Sasha]

Good god. Can you not sit back and learn from this thread? Must you continue to be offended at every little thing? There's already a couple pages of really good information.

You're furthering her point. No one is saying that EMTs shouldn't be on this website, but EMTs shouldn't be crying about how mean all the old timers are every time an EMTs lack of education is brought up. And let's face it, we as EMTs are severely undereducated.

This site is a great resource for EMTs to discuss calls, and LEARN from them. It's a fantastic place to ask questions. No one says that we as EMTs have a worthless opinion or that we are dumb, but that we may not be as educated in this FIELD, and your education outside of the field doesn't really hold water. You could have a PhD in history, doesn't mean you're going to know much about medicine or that what you say suddenly has weight and respect.

 

[sir.shocksalot]

Good god. Can you not sit back and learn from this thread? Must you continue to be offended at every little thing? There's already a couple pages of really good information.

You're furthering her point. No one is saying that EMTs shouldn't be on this website, but EMTs shouldn't be crying about how mean all the old timers are every time an EMTs lack of education is brought up. And let's face it, we as EMTs are severely undereducated.

This site is a great resource for EMTs to discuss calls, and LEARN from them. It's a fantastic place to ask questions. No one says that we as EMTs have a worthless opinion or that we are dumb, but that we may not be as educated in this FIELD, and your education outside of the field doesn't really hold water. You could have a PhD in history, doesn't mean you're going to know much about medicine.

I simply asked if Vent thought EMTs should be on this forum because I am under the impression that I am not welcome in threads such as these. Am I offended? No, am I defensive? Yes because I continue to get responses such as yours. And let me point out that you have labeled me as 1) A person who is easily offended, and 2) someone who cries a lot. And since you have no idea who I am, I feel a little defensive about being labeled as things I am nowhere near. Furthermore, I think I have every right, much the same as EVERY HUMAN BEING to be treated with respect. If you can't treat some dude you don't know with respect, what makes me believe you will treat a coworker, or god forbid a patient with respect? This is no longer a learning issue, this is a respect issue. I respect you for all the educational things you have accomplished as a paramedic student, in return you should respect me for what I am trying to accomplish in this field, and what I have accomplished outside of it. I did not join this forum to ask questions to be belittled by anyone regardless of their age or experience. You wouldn't treat a coworker, a student, or a patient this way, you have no right to treat me this way.

By the way, I never once stated that I had anywhere near the medical qualifications of anyone on this forum, my statement about my education was trying to prove just because I have been an EMT for a year, doesn't mean I am not capable of learning.

And with that I say Auf Wiedersehen, I am on to threads where people aren't quite so nasty with other forum members.

 

[BossyCow]

No I don't have the luxury of taking a patients temperature, I call it a luxury, because that is one piece of equipment I don't have. I don't claim to be your equal, however the difference between you and me is that if you stepped into "my house" I wouldn't belittle you for not knowing as much as I do. Why? Because we all start somewhere.

I work with a BLS agency and a thermometer is not a luxury item. Temp is a vital sign and should be taken on all pts. My EMS cert is the same as yours, I'm not talking down to you because you are a lowly basic, I'm chastizing you for being less than adequately prepared to take a complete set of vitals in your rig.

On the MS, it's a very odd disease. Presents very differently in individuals. Someone can have one event with minimal to catastrophic damage and never have another event. Others can have repeated minor to major events with incremental damage with each event. New studies have shown a link between Vitamin D and MS. Possibly why us northern latitudes have a much higher instance of it than other areas.

 

[sir.shocksalot]

I work with a BLS agency and a thermometer is not a luxury item. Temp is a vital sign and should be taken on all pts. My EMS cert is the same as yours, I'm not talking down to you because you are a lowly basic, I'm chastizing you for being less than adequately prepared to take a complete set of vitals in your rig.

Talk to my agency, I would love to have a thermometer.

 

[BossyCow]

Talk to my agency, I would love to have a thermometer.

For crying out loud.. a cheapy digital one is under $10. Buy one and donate it!

 

[VentMedic]

I simply asked if Vent thought EMTs should be on this forum because I am under the impression that I am not welcome in threads such as these. Am I offended? No, am I defensive? Yes because I continue to get responses such as yours. And let me point out that you have labeled me as 1) A person who is easily offended, and 2) someone who cries a lot. And since you have no idea who I am, I feel a little defensive about being labeled as things I am nowhere near. Furthermore, I think I have every right, much the same as EVERY HUMAN BEING to be treated with respect. If you can't treat some dude you don't know with respect, what makes me believe you will treat a coworker, or god forbid a patient with respect? This is no longer a learning issue, this is a respect issue. I respect you for all the educational things you have accomplished as a paramedic student, in return you should respect me for what I am trying to accomplish in this field, and what I have accomplished outside of it. I did not join this forum to ask questions to be belittled by anyone regardless of their age or experience. You wouldn't treat a coworker, a student, or a patient this way, you have no right to treat me this way.

By the way, I never once stated that I had anywhere near the medical qualifications of anyone on this forum, my statement about my education was trying to prove just because I have been an EMT for a year, doesn't mean I am not capable of learning.

And with that I say Auf Wiedersehen, I am on to threads where people aren't quite so nasty with other forum members.

Right now you are an EMT-B. As you advance your MEDICAL education, you may see how some of your remarks are inappropriate. If you are offended by whatever you perceived as harshness by those with more education and medical experience than you, the medical profession will be rough for you.

emtfarva did learn a few things from this forum as some others did. You just seem bent on establishing an us against them attitude which will hinder your learning process. There is a pecking order in every profession. Those that continue to want to learn regardless of their title learn to roll with the punches and don't cry in a corner when a Paramedic, nurse or doctor glares at them. They get in there and learn more until that glare becomes a nod of approval.

I am not here to criticize anyone except when those that fail to see how much more they have to learn regardless of their title. If disease processes could be neatly divided up into those for EMT-B and those for EMT-P then all would work out great. Unfortunately MEDICINE does not work that way and only some in EMS want that division to justify their title and not patient care.

 

[Ridryder911]

So are you saying EMTs shouldn't be on this forum? And at what point of medical education is the line drawn?

Are you truly saying and seriously consider that the EMT is actually medical training?

Whenever the EMT curriculum starts to have education in lieu of training, then we can be able to discuss professional status.

Here are some good hints, when your medical training is not an education:

> Your class is described in clock hours instead of degrees with internships or fellowships.

> Your text is written < junior high level reading level.

> There are brightly colored pictures within the text. There are associated work books with crossword puzzles.

> You use only one text for the entire program.

> Your National Certification has a > than 50% first time pass rate.

Remember, the Basic EMT Curriculum is just above the First Aid level. It is an entry point or initial care provider level. That's it. As you described, it’s a starting point. Not middle, post or anything more than that intent. Nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is.

That is part of the problem with many outgoing of EMT Basics. Majority of the graduates have no true medical education (unless they have a previous medical license) and do not realize their limitations.

No one is blaming or chastising, it’s just the truth. Sorry, you don’t like it; that’s the way it is. They should had taught and re-enforced this from the beginning in your Basic Course. It is alike the comparison of a Nurse’s Aide to an RN, there is a place and role for each. Alike, what Vent described. No matter if you have a PhD or GED, according to your level of EMS education that is the system is. Don’t like it? Go back to school.

R/r 911

 

[Ridryder911]

And with that I say Auf Wiedersehen, I am on to threads where people aren't quite so nasty with other forum members.

Good luck, this forum is the nicest around.

p.s. majority of the other EMS forums have the same participants that are here with different names.

 

[ffemt8978]

That's enough of this one.