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http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2009/June09/16/Raimer_arr-16Jun09.html

EMT charged with attacking restrained person

WALLKILL – Police Chief Robert Hertman doesn’t have an explanation for it, but a paid Town of Wallkill Volunteer Ambulance Corps EMT, who responded to a call to check on a person at a local motel, wound up attacking the man.
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Sostre was handcuffed and harnessed in a “stair chair” to be moved, said Hertman.

“While he was being removed in his chair, EMT Raimer began to strike Michael Sostre in the face several times causing an injury, until uniformed on-duty officers intervened and stopped the assault,” he said.

Sostre was taken to Orange Regional Medical Center for treatment of his injuries while Raimer was charged with third-degree assault.
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before the masses explode in anger and argument and judgment, there not much information at all.

this story says nothing.

I understand that the patient was handcuffed, but there still not enuff info.

so if you can come across any more info, please pass it on.
 
Handcuffed and strapped into a stair chair? I'd be happy to hear what scenarios lead to the patient being hit in the face?
 
This call is not far from me. I will look into it. DO NOT trust the inital media reports. Media in the hudson valley has a hx of being very light on the info and makes broad statements.
 
I have to hold comment on this one. Who knows what happened. EMTs do not carry handcuffs, usually, so I would have to assume the cops were there too. Maybe this EMT just got so mad at the patients behavior and hit him, lol.
 
Who here has carried the foot end of the stair chair?
Especially the older ones?

You are at their mercy. I think dude got antsy kicked the EMT, and got what was coming to him.


If I am wrong, and it was unprovoked, hang him from the highest tree.
 
So restrain the legs with cravats or something. On the Fernos at my company there's a strap specifically for the legs. The solution to being kicked while using a stair chair isn't to assault the patient, but use more restraints.
 
JPINFV said:
So restrain the legs with cravats or something. On the Fernos at my company there's a strap specifically for the legs. The solution to being kicked while using a stair chair isn't to assault the patient, but use more restraints.
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And then press charges against the patient. But do not hit his face..
 
Depending on the situation, sure. My question is, why is this patient in custody? Is this a suspect or a psychatric patient? ...and yes, psychatric patients get leway in determining what is and is not assault/battery.
 
JPINFV said:
So restrain the legs with cravats or something. On the Fernos at my company there's a strap specifically for the legs. The solution to being kicked while using a stair chair isn't to assault the patient, but use more restraints.
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I'm saying perhaps it was an oversight.
The old model stair chairs pretty much have nothing. SO perhaps it was jsut overlooked. We are human, and things like that do happen.
If one is getting kicked or punched while carrying that person down the stairs, holding hands and asking them to stop isnt always the answer.
 
I'd like to hear the details before judging. Obviously, if PD had to stop the assault, then it was more than self-defense. BUT I also realize that a restrained person can still hurt us. While I would hopefully restrain myself, if someone kicked me in the privates or spit blood on me or bit me, I would have quite a violent internal reaction (again, that doesn't mean one can act on it).
 
atropine said:
Stupid vollies, that's prettty much sums it up, again VOLLIES = low wages and education for all of ems.
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Because violence against patients or improper restraint never happens in SoCal.....
 
atropine said:
Stupid vollies, that's prettty much sums it up, again VOLLIES = low wages and education for all of ems.
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Odd, I vollie in the general area for a decade and this is the only time I heard of violence being used against a patient. I am sure its because well educated people are not prone to violence. Or people who make lots of money.

I am sure paid EMS in SoCal is free from this stuff.:rolleyes:
 
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I think there's more to this than the story says

I've been hurt by patients before, but to strike a patient is something i never ever did.
 
There not nearly enough information to even guess what happened.

This article tells nothing. This article alone is nothing more than tabloid BS and meant for sensationalism.

I will admit I am now interested in finding out what happened...

Should the EMT be arrest for assault? don't know. Was the EMT defending himself? don't know. Did the EMT take things too far? good chance, but don't know.

We need more information just to make an educated guess at what happened.
 
djmedic913 said:
There not nearly enough information to even guess what happened.
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No need for more information. The word "volunteer" was in the article. According to some, that is explanation enough. :rolleyes: Funny how volunteers never say "stupid paid morons" every time some EMT or Medic getting paid screws up... and yes it does happen... A LOT!

As far as this article goes... anyone notice how they gave the patient two different names? I'll wait until a better, more complete, reporting is provided before I pass judgment; and even then, hitting a restrained patient (no matter what they did) seems indefensible.
 
atropine said:
Stupid vollies, that's prettty much sums it up, again VOLLIES = low wages and education for all of ems.
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Funny it says he was paid.

"but a paid Town of Wallkill Volunteer Ambulance Corps EMT"

I hate to point that out to you as I feel volunteer EMS is one of the greatest problems with EMS next to fire and education.
 
Regardless of what I feel about the (dis)service that volunteers have done to EMS, I thought the key word was "handcuffed."
 
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