Chickens and PALS

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Did anyone/is anyone using chickens in their program to practice IOs on? We have the manniquens as well, but there has been talk about using chickens as well. Are chickens that much better? Does it really matter if we use a manniquen instead of a chicken? Seems pointless to me.
 
We use chickens and goats as they allow you to actually feel bone pop and be able to test aspiration and flowing. Much closer to human than a dummy.
 
We used turkey legs.
 
Chicken legs here.



We also used the EZ-IO's test leg with fake skin for the first few practices.
 
The last time we practiced IO's we used eggs. The whole idea was to get the feel of the "pop" and the eggs worked great for that. I was pretty skeptical about it until we actually did it.
 
Yep, I teach IO's and sub-q injections using chicken legs. Of course, there are training legs as well.

Note to self...don't dispose of them in a red bag lest security gets wayyyyy upset :> 0 Seemed logical at the time...oops.
 
In class we didn't get the EZ-IO, to be checked off we manually had to drill a chicken leg with an IO needle. How brutual. But I was present at the FD for their con-ed on IOs and we drilled eggs.
 
Sasha said:
In class we didn't get the EZ-IO, to be checked off we manually had to drill a chicken leg with an IO needle. How brutual. But I was present at the FD for their con-ed on IOs and we drilled eggs.
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We've been trained on the hand-crank kind, the EZ-IO, and the FAST1.

The FAST1 is brutal.
 
Linuss said:
We've been trained on the hand-crank kind, the EZ-IO, and the FAST1.

The FAST1 is brutal.
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Agreed....but if someone needs it, they won't be aware of it (thank God).
 
Ow....I'm not even going to watch that.
 
We used chicken legs.

Was able to use a cadaver sternum too.
 
wow is all I have to say to that video, I could not imagine doing that to myself holy crap that must hurt lol
 
I don't see the big advantage of using chicken/turkey legs for it. We've used mannequin legs since the begining of the program, they've worked fine.
 
No advantage..just a different experience. Practice legs work just fine.
 
I disagree. With a bone you get a more accurate feel, plus you have to deal with flesh rather than plastic. Also you may experience an IO fracture, something you will not get in the dummy.
 
medic417 said:
I disagree. With a bone you get a more accurate feel, plus you have to deal with flesh rather than plastic. Also you may experience an IO fracture, something you will not get in the dummy.
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You mean mannequins are not an adequate substitute for real bone? Who knew. :rolleyes:
 
In continuing education classes like ACLS and PALS you should already know how to start IV's, IO's and intubate before you get there. The point in taking the class is to learn the current standard of care for those particular cardiac emergencies, not to learn the skills to care for the patient.

With that being said, I like chicken legs. I used them in my medic program and yes you really can feel the needle "pop" into the bone. I've used mannequins too and they don't seem as realistic to me as the chicken legs.
 
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