Career Advancemanet

[JakeEMTP]

Gotta love us, we're California!

That doesn't agree with the CalEMA website's info, all those "or" 's. It actually leaves a way past NREMT. Probably just websites not keeping up with one another, the CalEMA site was last updated in Aug and called for NREMT, period.

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That is from the California EMSA website. It is the California Code of Regulation which is on the EMSA website.

It is also what the NREMT states to be eligible to take the Paramedic exam. You also quoted the NREMT statement. There is a reason why EMSA put the NREMT link in many spots on its website.

 

[mycrofft]

3) possess a current EMT-I certificate or NREMT-Basic registration; or
(4) possess a current EMT-II certificate in the State of California; or
(5) be currently registered as an EMT-Intermediate with the National Registry of
Emergency Medical Technicians.

The clause between the two "or" 's, being thus designated by the conventions of modern Eglish, is an independet option since there is no inclusive use of the word "and", or "shall", "will", or "must". Hence, one could simply hold a Calif certification, with no specificity that it needs be the NREMT.

HOWEVER, as you and I pointed out earlier, the August 2012 revision states clearly that the NREMT level of EMT-Basic is required.

It is an example of a sloppy website. We are in agreement. NREMT is required. And someone needs to slip in, track down that discrepancy, and edit it.

 

[Jambi]

NREMT is required only for initial certification. There is no need to maintain it after that.

I did not have an NREMT EMT cert prior to going to medic school because I was gradfathered in when the state required it. For my medic, I had to provide my NREMT P# as part of the licensure application.

Also not mentioned is the ability to challenge the medic in California. A Doc, PA, RN/NP can challenge the medic by providing proof that their curriculum met or exceeded the relevant objectives present in the DOT curriculum, then find a school that will take them on to allow field time as said person must still meet the 40 ALS field contact minimum. The challenge option is also going the way of the Dodo.

 

[mycrofft]

NREMT is required only for initial certification. There is no need to maintain it after that.

I did not have an NREMT EMT cert prior to going to medic school because I was gradfathered in when the state required it. For my medic, I had to provide my NREMT P# as part of the licensure application.

Also not mentioned is the ability to challenge the medic in California. A Doc, PA, RN/NP can challenge the medic by providing proof that their curriculum met or exceeded the relevant objectives present in the DOT curriculum, then find a school that will take them on to allow field time as said person must still meet the 40 ALS field contact minimum. The challenge option is also going the way of the Dodo.

I actually looked into that to go back and get an EMT-B for employment reasons (silly, yes, and not a good job...never mind). No local school would do it, they insisted I take their program. AND the language of the law regarding the school does not saw "may", it says "will". No use fighting city hall.

I apologize for this sidetrack.

 

[Jambi]

. AND the language of the law regarding the school does not saw "may", it says "will". No use fighting city hall.

I apologize for this sidetrack.

That's the catch, go ahead and find a school that would do it...and I bet that the state would look real close at the school too, probably too close.

 

[JakeEMTP]

3) possess a current EMT-I certificate or NREMT-Basic registration; or
(4) possess a current EMT-II certificate in the State of California; or
(5) be currently registered as an EMT-Intermediate with the National Registry of
Emergency Medical Technicians.

The clause between the two "or" 's, being thus designated by the conventions of modern Eglish, is an independet option since there is no inclusive use of the word "and", or "shall", "will", or "must". Hence, one could simply hold a Calif certification, with no specificity that it needs be the NREMT.

HOWEVER, as you and I pointed out earlier, the August 2012 revision states clearly that the NREMT level of EMT-Basic is required.

It is an example of a sloppy website. We are in agreement. NREMT is required. And someone needs to slip in, track down that discrepancy, and edit it.

You are not reading the whole thing which was posted and is clearly in the regulations.

(a) To be eligible to enter a paramedic training program an individual shall meet the
following requirements:

The EMT is not an "option" except for RN, MD and PA.
EMT-I an EMT-II are California certifications.

 

[JakeEMTP]

NREMT is required only for initial certification. There is no need to maintain it after that.

I did not have an NREMT EMT cert prior to going to medic school because I was gradfathered in when the state required it. For my medic, I had to provide my NREMT P# as part of the licensure application.

Are you saying you were never an EMT and skipped right to Paramedic?
California regulations also had their own certification of EMT-I and EMT-II. Did you not have one of these to work in the state of California? California now uses the NREMT to certify but you still must get the EMT in the county for the State to recognize. NREMT by itself is not a license. It is only an exam. Some states require you to maintain the NREMT and so don't and only use it as an exam. Did you work as an EMT at all in California or just go to Paramedic school?

Also not mentioned is the ability to challenge the medic in California. A Doc, PA, RN/NP can challenge the medic by providing proof that their curriculum met or exceeded the relevant objectives present in the DOT curriculum, then find a school that will take them on to allow field time as said person must still meet the 40 ALS field contact minimum. The challenge option is also going the way of the Dodo.

I mentioned earlier MDs, RNs and PAs can challenge for the Paramedic if they met the other requirements and pointed out where that is clearly stated on the website and the Code of Regulations. That is very well known. 40 ALS contacts is not really very much.

Can you provide a statement that shows the challenge is going away? But, it does not really affect the MICNs.

 

[Jambi]

working night shift or something?

Are you saying you were never an EMT and skipped right to Paramedic?
California regulations also had their own certification of EMT-I and EMT-II. Did you not have one of these to work in the state of California? California now uses the NREMT to certify but you still must get the EMT in the county for the State to recognize. NREMT by itself is not a license. It is only an exam. Some states require you to maintain the NREMT and so don't and only use it as an exam. Did you work as an EMT at all in California or just go to Paramedic school?

If you'll read my statement, I simply said I never had NREMT because I was grandfathered in. I had an EMT cert, but I got mine many moons before California required EMTs to sit for NREMT. I apologize, I thought that was clear.

I mentioned earlier MDs, RNs and PAs can challenge for the Paramedic if they met the other requirements and pointed out where that is clearly stated on the website and the Code of Regulations. That is very well known. 40 ALS contacts is not really very much.

Hadn't seen where you mentioned that, that's what I get for skimming. My humblest apologizes.

Can you provide a statement that shows the challenge is going away? But, it does not really affect the MICNs.

Right now, no. I recall reading it in a set of meeting minutes or on an agenda for the CAL EMSA board. I cannot find a relevant link, or even the document atm. I read a lot of stuff. perhaps I inappropriately attributed it from another document from a surrounding state, or some such thing. If I can find it I'll post it. If not, well then, feel free to call me crazy.

 

[JakeEMTP]

No worries.

I had heard of a few places which allowed students to go straight into the Paramedic program for the classroom portion as long as they passed their EMT cert before clinicals. I just had not heard of California allowing it.

 

[akflightmedic]

There is no EMT-P to PA or Anything to PA transfer/bridge program.

I thought the MEDEX program had a Paramedic to PA curriculum?

When I was in Alaska, I had many paramedics who were PA students doing their rotations up there and they all said they were in a bridge program.

That is the extent of my knowledge on the program in itself, so if you have any info supporting or otherwise...I am all ears.