Am I the only person disgusted by this??

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VentMedic said:
Before you post something with "I don't know", why don't you look up the policies that are consistent with every hospital in this country.

The day EMS catches up with the other medical professions, since it is already over 40 years old, is the day I would hopefully not have to remind some about the boundaries of professionalism.

Now maybe you should venture over to the thread about pranks. You might have more to offer there.
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Sure sure, right right, everyone else is good, and we're bad. I know. You're missing my point as well, but oh well. It is not a rare occurence for a non-EMS person to speak to the media about a pt's care...to be honest I've seen it happen more with someone from outside EMS than I've seen it happen with someone from within. Which would seem to mean that those great policies you vaunt are not being followed enough to ensure compliance from everyone...or that people just don't care about them. Either way...kind of changes things a bit doesn't it? You can have as many policies as you want covering every situation available, but if they aren't followed or enforced...so what?

This isn't even going into the various other forums out there where various other healthcare professionals talk about their pt's care...sometimes even in general terms...with no apparent recourse...

Now. Does EMS have problems? Sure, absolutely. Does that mean that every other healthcare field is perfect? No. Does that mean that every other field does no wrong? No. Does that mean that it's ok to lionize ever other field and downplay their own problems at the exspence of EMS? No.
 
triemal04 said:
Sure sure, right right, everyone else is good, and we're bad. I know. You're missing my point as well, but oh well. It is not a rare occurence for a non-EMS person to speak to the media about a pt's care...to be honest I've seen it happen more with someone from outside EMS than I've seen it happen with someone from within. Which would seem to mean that those great policies you vaunt are not being followed enough to ensure compliance from everyone...or that people just don't care about them. Either way...kind of changes things a bit doesn't it? You can have as many policies as you want covering every situation available, but if they aren't followed or enforced...so what?

This isn't even going into the various other forums out there where various other healthcare professionals talk about their pt's care...sometimes even in general terms...with no apparent recourse...

Now. Does EMS have problems? Sure, absolutely. Does that mean that every other healthcare field is perfect? No. Does that mean that every other field does no wrong? No. Does that mean that it's ok to lionize ever other field and downplay their own problems at the exspence of EMS? No.
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If you notice not everyone, even in EMS is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. When it does happen it can also reflect very badly on the profession if not done through the proper channels.

Trying to say everybody else does it so should we doesn't make it right.
 
VentMedic said:
If you notice not everyone, even in EMS is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. When it does happen it can also reflect very badly on the profession if not done through the proper channels.

Trying to say everybody else does it so should we doesn't make it right.
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Actually, I haven't said that. I haven't come out on one side or the other on this issue. I'd have expected you to see this, but then this happens quite a bit with you so it's not surprising. What I have come out and said is that it is really tiring and annoying to see you constantly place other medical fields on a pedestal, ignoring their own faults and issue and spinning half truths about them simply to downgrade EMS.
 
triemal04 said:
Actually, I haven't said that. I haven't come out on one side or the other on this issue. I'd have expected you to see this, but then this happens quite a bit with you so it's not surprising. What I have come out and said is that it is really tiring and annoying to see you constantly place other medical fields on a pedestal, ignoring their own faults and issue and spinning half truths about them simply to downgrade EMS.
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What have you done for EMS lately?

Foul language from you isn't a contribution which is what your posts often bring. You might do well to read some of my posts to learn about other professions and see the paths they have taken for success in acheiving professional status and recognition where it counts. The Paramedic should become recognized as a medical professional and not just be thought of as a few extra skills for the FF. Before you bash me on that also, you already know part of my pension is coming from a FD.

Do you believe posts like this one show you in a favorable light? You posted little and stated you didn't even know the information you posted. Luckily you are not the only "example" of those striving for professionalism in EMS.

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Dear god...at some point you are really going to have to stop placing every other healthcare profession on a pedestal and shoveling :censored::censored::censored::censored: onto EMS...especially when you say things like the above that are blatantly wrong. There are multiple instances (including some that have been posted here) when someone from another field makes comments about the care their pt recieved. Now, perhaps they were fired or censured over that, I don't know, but the fact remains that it still does happen, so apparently this is not such a one sided issue.
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You're right, I do use foul language sometimes. What's your point? Given that it's what you are doing, saying that you are shovelling :censored::censored::censored::censored: onto EMS is rather appropriate. I suppose I could say poopy, or excrement if that'd make you feel better.

To be honest, I don't really care how my posts show me. It doesn't change the fact that what you do, constantly, over and over, is dump (there, is that better) on EMS by citing other medical professions and ignoring their faults, spinning half-truths, etc etc. You know...kind of what I said in my last post. Face it, the things you say are not always right. Once again, get over yourself.

Are you going to say anything about that, or just complain that I've said things I haven't and complain in general?
 
triemal04 said:
You're right, I do use foul language sometimes. What's your point? Given that it's what you are doing, saying that you are shovelling :censored::censored::censored::censored: onto EMS is rather appropriate. I suppose I could say poopy, or excrement if that'd make you feel better.

To be honest, I don't really care how my posts show me. It doesn't change the fact that what you do, constantly, over and over, is dump (there, is that better) on EMS by citing other medical professions and ignoring their faults, spinning half-truths, etc etc. You know...kind of what I said in my last post. Face it, the things you say are not always right. Once again, get over yourself.

Are you going to say anything about that, or just complain that I've said things I haven't and complain in general?
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You've made my point for me well enough. Your posts are example enough of what I am preaching about.
 
VentMedic said:
You've made my point for me well enough. Your posts are example enough of what I am preaching about.
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That's about what I thought. And preaching is a good word for what you do...given that you tend to spin things to support your own conclusions.

I'll ask once again: would you like to comment on the fact that you often place other medical fields on a pedestal, ignoring their own faults and issues and spinning half truths about them simply to downgrade EMS?
 
triemal04 said:
I'll ask once again: would you like to comment on the fact that you often place other medical fields on a pedestal, ignoring their own faults and issues and spinning half truths about them simply to downgrade EMS?
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I already did that earlier. Read the posts. Downgrade EMS? Have you noticed an "upgrade"? It was downgraded many years ago and has yet to pull itself out of the rut. Get you head out of the sand and stop denying EMS has problems. People who think EMS is perfect are usually part of the problems. I've already discussed professional education standards and organizations. There is another thread if you want to moan and groan about how misunderstood you are.
 
VentMedic said:
I already did that earlier. Read the posts. Downgrade EMS? Have you noticed an "upgrade"? It was downgraded many years ago and has yet to pull itself out of the rut. Get you head out of the sand and stop denying EMS has problems. People who think EMS is perfect are usually part of the problems. I've already discussed professional education standards and organizations. There is another thread if you want to moan and groan about how misunderstood you are.
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Actually, you didn't. But, I did (and do on a pretty regular basis) admit that EMS has many problems earlier. See, notice the difference? I don't try and say that either I, or someone else has said something they haven't.

Anyway. Still waiting on an answer from you. Maybe if I rephrase it...(but I doubt it). EMS has many problems (see...said it again), definetly. As do essentially all of the medical professions. Pointing out faults with EMS and how it should improve itself is easy, and appropriate to do, and really, can help to improve the situation if people actually begin to recognize the problems and work for changes. What is not so appropriate is to say that EMS does X, and this other medical profession never does X so we should look to them, when this is not true or fully accurate. What is not appropriate is to say that EMS is lagging behind because we do not do Y, but this other profession does Y so we should look to them, ignoring the fact that this is not true for all of the other profession. Point out the faults, no arguement from me there, but if you are going to compare 2 professions, be accurate about it, don't do it just to downgrade EMS. That's maybe a bit convuluted, but the question is still, why do you do that?
 
triemal04 said:
Actually, you didn't. But, I did (and do on a pretty regular basis) admit that EMS has many problems earlier. See, notice the difference? I don't try and say that either I, or someone else has said something they haven't.

Anyway. Still waiting on an answer from you. Maybe if I rephrase it...(but I doubt it). EMS has many problems (see...said it again), definetly. As do essentially all of the medical professions. Pointing out faults with EMS and how it should improve itself is easy, and appropriate to do, and really, can help to improve the situation if people actually begin to recognize the problems and work for changes. What is not so appropriate is to say that EMS does X, and this other medical profession never does X so we should look to them, when this is not true or fully accurate. What is not appropriate is to say that EMS is lagging behind because we do not do Y, but this other profession does Y so we should look to them, ignoring the fact that this is not true for all of the other profession. Point out the faults, no arguement from me there, but if you are going to compare 2 professions, be accurate about it, don't do it just to downgrade EMS. That's maybe a bit convuluted, but the question is still, why do you do that?
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What is your comprehension problem? Do I (and many others) have to repeat this to you on every forum, thread after thread? Just read through some of the threads on this one.

Are you really not that aware of other professions? Standardized education for credentialing? Standardized credentials? Standardized testing? Consistent hospital policies? Awareness of OSHA, Ryan White Act, NIOSH, Consent laws? Ongoing education? Medical oversight? Consistent background checks? Medicare reimbursement quidelines for professionals? Read any journals lately? Medical ones and not bathroom quality? Attend any state or national conferences? Local meetings besides the union ones? Belong to any MEDICAL professional organizations? Have you really missed all of the many, many posts on this subject? Are you really not aware of anything else around you?

Anything sound familiar?

I knew some in EMS have made themselves isolated and insulated from the rest of the medical world but you are really beyond belief on that.

Start your own thread.
 
Scott33 said:
Just to touch on the Travolta story...

Anyone know the official stance Scientologists take on prescription medications?

Just been browsing a few links like the one below...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/01/children-sickne.html
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I'm waiting for Travolta to speak out later about his son. I don't think even a Scientologist or anyone is prepared with all the answers when their child is diagnosed with Kawasaki disease. I caught part of his interview with Larry King from about 6 years ago and he seemed to be doing all a parent could do.
 
This thread has strayed too far off topic. Keep the drama off of the board. You're welcome to use PMs to discuss your issues, but taking threads off-topic is not the place for your ranting.
 
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