Minnesota postal worker dies in county lockup after police mistake stroke for intoxication

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This is exactly why patients who appear to be in distress should be evaluated by EMS before they are arrested.
 
This is exactly why patients who appear to be in distress should be evaluated by EMS before they are arrested.
I agree.
I’m going to call EMS 24/7 for EVERY arrest. I’ll spread the word to all my peeps. Going to make it a Law in every state.

Enjoy the Fallout.
 
I agree.
I’m going to call EMS 24/7 for EVERY arrest. I’ll spread the word to all my peeps. Going to make it a Law in every state.

Enjoy the Fallout.
I mean, if it keeps people from dying of police neglect…
 
This is exactly why patients who appear to be in distress should be evaluated by EMS before they are arrested.
Are.you seriously advocating for EMS screening for everyone who appears or claims to be in distress BEFORE they are arrested? What do you plan on doing if the patient refuses screening, or is actively committing crimes until that point? Send your EMS crew in to screen an active shooter before LE arrests them? What about the jails who have nurses on site to screen incoming inmates? Do you think your EMS evaluation supersedes that screening?

Oh, and he was screened by EMS who recommended he be transported for evaluation. From the article it appears as if jail staff either refused/delayed that decision until it was too late. Are you also proposing that EMS be sole and final arbitrator of who remains in custody?

Words have meanings and it is very important you choose the correct ones. One size fits all solutions really don't work without a solid base layer and consideration of all the possibilities.
 
Are.you seriously advocating for EMS screening for everyone who appears or claims to be in distress BEFORE they are arrested? What do you plan on doing if the patient refuses screening, or is actively committing crimes until that point? Send your EMS crew in to screen an active shooter before LE arrests them? What about the jails who have nurses on site to screen incoming inmates? Do you think your EMS evaluation supersedes that screening?

Oh, and he was screened by EMS who recommended he be transported for evaluation. From the article it appears as if jail staff either refused/delayed that decision until it was too late. Are you also proposing that EMS be sole and final arbitrator of who remains in custody?

Words have meanings and it is very important you choose the correct ones. One size fits all solutions really don't work without a solid base layer and consideration of all the possibilities.
Stop injecting facts, that's counterproductive to the narrative.
 
Oh, and he was screened by EMS who recommended he be transported for evaluation. From the article it appears as if jail staff either refused/delayed that decision until it was too late. Are you also proposing that EMS be sole and final arbitrator of who remains in custody?
Many moons ago, I had a polite interaction with a deputy sheriff in the courthouse about how I wasn't comfortable with having the patient not be transported. He had some weird disease that I had never heard of, and their rule was, if it was a chronic condition, it should be treated by the prison med staff, but if it was an acute issue, he should go to the ER. got escalated to the Sgt, who called the Lt, who called the captain, who called someone else, who finally agreed to let us take him to the hospital (not the one he requested, but the one they were contracted to used).

I've made mistakes in my past and not advocated strongly enough to LE that we should transport a patient, but most of the time, if the patient is sick enough, they will let you transport them. but if the patient is in custody (IE, has the silver bracelets applied), the officer is responsible for what happens. While I'd had my conflicts run-ins with cops whose egos were larger than mine, I'd say that's the vast minority of the interactions. And while I've dealt with more than my share of patients suffering from incarceritis, very few were legitimately sick enough for me to argue with the officer that they needed an immediate transport to an ER.
 
Many moons ago, I had a polite interaction with a deputy sheriff in the courthouse about how I wasn't comfortable with having the patient not be transported. He had some weird disease that I had never heard of, and their rule was, if it was a chronic condition, it should be treated by the prison med staff, but if it was an acute issue, he should go to the ER. got escalated to the Sgt, who called the Lt, who called the captain, who called someone else, who finally agreed to let us take him to the hospital (not the one he requested, but the one they were contracted to used).

I've made mistakes in my past and not advocated strongly enough to LE that we should transport a patient, but most of the time, if the patient is sick enough, they will let you transport them. but if the patient is in custody (IE, has the silver bracelets applied), the officer is responsible for what happens. While I'd had my conflicts run-ins with cops whose egos were larger than mine, I'd say that's the vast minority of the interactions. And while I've dealt with more than my share of patients suffering from incarceritis, very few were legitimately sick enough for me to argue with the officer that they needed an immediate transport to an ER.
And that is why people can't demand a one size fits all solution to every EMS problem.
 
I mean, if it keeps people from dying of police neglect…
Wooden defense of an ideologic narrative void of any desire for resolution becomes pretty apparent when a particular outlier group is singled out for victimhood. Entire populations of low income BIPOC Americans are suffering as a result of the complete an total collapse of their culture resulting in poverty and crime and the problem is the police...smh
 
Wooden defense of an ideologic narrative void of any desire for resolution becomes pretty apparent when a particular outlier group is singled out for victimhood. Entire populations of low income BIPOC Americans are suffering as a result of the complete an total collapse of their culture resulting in poverty and crime and the problem is the police...smh
It's easier to pick one or two media visible causes and blame them for everything than it is to look at the entire problem and try to solve it. Very few things have single source causes with no other considerations, but they're to difficult to actually try and solve appropriately (according to some viewpoints)
 
Entire populations of low income BIPOC Americans are suffering as a result of the complete an total collapse of their culture resulting in poverty and crime and the problem is the police...smh
Isn't it though?
 
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