Should someone with a juvenile record be able to become an EMT?

[FrostbiteMedic]

Too young for an expungememt? I would check on that again.....also, it is possible to petetion for your rights to be restored post-felony. If you have a sealed record, then it may not even show up on a background check! Just something to think about.

 

[Aidey]

Honestly, do something else in the mean time. Go to school, get a degree in something relevant, like Fire Science, or one of the health sciences, or get your pre-reqs done for Paramedic. By the time you are done it may be long enough that you can get your record expunged or the state will look more favorably on issuing you a cert. It is not the end of the world if you can't be an EMT at 18, and by not being able to get your cert now you could actually benefit in the long run if you use the time to go to school.

Why go into the court house once a week if you already know you are too young to expunge your record, and they won't give you the paperwork for suppression?

 

[Aidey]

Too young for an expungememt? I would check on that again.....also, it is possible to petetion for your rights to be restored post-felony. If you have a sealed record, then it may not even show up on a background check! Just something to think about.

I wonder if by "too young" they mean that not enough time has passed since the conviction to try and get their record expunged.

 

[JPINFV]

"Getting a Juvenile Adjudication Removed Self Help"
http://courts.michigan.gov/scao/selfhelp/family/setaside_help.htm

"A person may not apply until he or she has become at least 24 years of age and either: 1) 5 years have passed since the disposition of the adjudication was imposed, if he or she was not detained; or 2) if he or she was detained as a result of the adjudication, 5 years have passed since release from that term of detention."

 

[akflightmedic]

Possession of a stolen iPod = Felony????

Usually theft felonies are associated with higher value (3000-5000K +) or the theft occurred with violence and/or weapons.

I am sure there is way more detail than a simple possession of a stolen item to get you convicted of a felony...especially an under $500 ipod.

 

[Aidey]

You're right, a quick session with Google shows that in MI the statute states that anything between $200 and $1000 is a misdemeanor.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(ux...eg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-356

 

[akflightmedic]

Mate, I been sorting internet BS for years....I smell them miles away.

 

[Aidey]

You're not the only one, you are just the only one who points it out

 

[KCS911]

Tell me why I got a felony then.Why would I bother to post this if I wasn't seriously concerned? I've been through alot of court crap due to this and I may not have understood half of what they were saying but the papers I have been handed all state that I was charged with Felony Larceny $200-$1000.I was never once told that I was going to get just a serious misdeamenor. The situation happened at a school and the ipod was owned by a cops kid.......so that bit may not have helped much in court.Judge is allowed to determine what to call it. Unfortunetly he called it this. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/juvenile/theft.htm

The website that you gave me just says that its a Larceny.Does not say what degree or if its a misdemeanor or Felony.

I'm too young to get an expungement due to I'm not 24 and its only been about 2 years since the crime was committed.I'm going to try again with the Supression paperwork....I'm going to talk to somebody usefull instead of the darn secreatary.

 

[Sizz]

States decision...

It might have been mentioned in an earlier reply , in Iowa the state decides weather they are going to issue your certification(/licensing I believe in 2011 they are working on a actually licensing paramedic levels vs certifying from what my instructor is telling us in class) based on the crime. When you fill out a form with 5 questions yes/no's and if you answer yes to any of these you must submit an explanation to the state and they will put you on hold until they determine or feel your worth certifying at the level of care your applying for.

I have seen students with past DUI's as well as other serious crimes get certified, honesty plays a BIG role in their decision because if your caught lying your out right away.

Just my 2 cents on it. It could go either way depending on circumstances as previously mentioned.

 

[KCS911]

Thanks.I have heard when you go to register after passing an EMT class that you are to answer questions afterwards and are given a chance to explain.Thats what aroused the question of what crimes are "ok" i don't want to take the class and then be told "too bad" I would like to know before I take it.I guess I never know till I try.Good to know now then later. I'm going to take it.

I guess it depends on how the State feels.I've heard of people getting DUIs and becoming EMTs but I have alos heard of people getting drug misdemeanors and not being allowed to be an EMT.

 

[Veneficus]

Did you go to court without a lawyer?

I cannot imagine there wasn't a plea deal involved if your record was always clean. Can't speak to MI per say, but most states have a pretrial diversion.

You should seek the advice of a lawyer. Before you do anything more.

 

[lightsandsirens5]

Case by case basis with consideration to the crime committed, the time elapsed from said crime, and the persons history since then.

Exactly. This is also the most lawyer like answer! Lol!

 

[KCS911]

I didn't not speak to or hire a lawyer. There was no guilty plea bargain.I just figured punishment would be less if I skipped through all that and just said I did it and then go on with life.TV portrays court very badly.They don't tell you what really happens and how to will drag your life down a bit. Lawyer is a good idea though.

 

[Veneficus]

I didn't not speak to or hire a lawyer. There was no guilty plea bargain.I just figured punishment would be less if I skipped through all that and just said I did it and then go on with life.TV portrays court very badly.They don't tell you what really happens and how to will drag your life down a bit. Lawyer is a good idea though.

For future reference, never ever go to court without a lawyer, especially if you are facing criminal charges.

Did the judge warn you of the seriousness of the charges and ask you if you wanted council prior to accepting your plea?

From the court cases I have watched (not on TV) that seems to be the usual way it plays out.

Really though, certainly consult a lawyer and from now on, trouble makers sink alone.

 

[fortsmithman]

I didn't not speak to or hire a lawyer. There was no guilty plea bargain.I just figured punishment would be less if I skipped through all that and just said I did it and then go on with life.TV portrays court very badly.They don't tell you what really happens and how to will drag your life down a bit. Lawyer is a good idea though.

There is a lot of people in jail who thought that. Always go to court represented by legal counsel.

 

[citizensoldierny]

Too young for an expungememt? I would check on that again.....also, it is possible to petetion for your rights to be restored post-felony. If you have a sealed record, then it may not even show up on a background check! Just something to think about.

KCS,
This is what I was referring to. If your state seals your record never admit your juvenille conviction which would then be a self admission.

 

[KCS911]

Citizensoldierny,I thought you were talking about getting into a different FD and when they ask about my past records...do not admit to doing it but say that something did happen there and that I have grown from it.I interpretted that wrong.Court stuff is done. I was asked if I wanted a lawyer and was asked a whole bunch of other stuff. They used alot of fancy court words and I half listened to it bc I figured after court was done....life goes on.I was young and dumb.I'm glad that my mom understood it too...not.She should have known.She has her EMT license. The judge did warn me of how serious the crime was and I thought that what they considered "serious" was over exaggerated.Yet again...I was ignorant and wanted the fast process.In the end I handed myself the slow process to my career.

 

[Aidey]

Tell me why I got a felony then.Why would I bother to post this if I wasn't seriously concerned? I've been through alot of court crap due to this and I may not have understood half of what they were saying but the papers I have been handed all state that I was charged with Felony Larceny $200-$1000.I was never once told that I was going to get just a serious misdeamenor. The situation happened at a school and the ipod was owned by a cops kid.......so that bit may not have helped much in court.Judge is allowed to determine what to call it. Unfortunetly he called it this. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/juvenile/theft.htm

The website that you gave me just says that its a Larceny.Does not say what degree or if its a misdemeanor or Felony.

I'm too young to get an expungement due to I'm not 24 and its only been about 2 years since the crime was committed.I'm going to try again with the Supression paperwork....I'm going to talk to somebody usefull instead of the darn secreatary.

4) If any of the following apply, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $2,000.00 or 3 times the value of the property stolen, whichever is greater, or both imprisonment and a fine:
(a) The property stolen has a value of $200.00 or more but less than $1,000.00.

 

[akflightmedic]

Do you think a judge would allow a MINOR to appear in court with no lawyer?? There are probably laws against that as well.

Again, AK calls bull schitt and says there is way more info not being divulged.