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Just got my NREMT. Working on L.A. County Card, Ambulance License, etc.

After that, where is the best place to work to get experience? And maybe fairly good pay? I would like 911 experience.

AMR? McCormick? Gerber?

Are there any hospitals in the area that hire EMT's?

Thanks everyone.

Peter the Rookie
 
LA is not known for its EMS, well at least not in a positive way. Odds are you will have to get a transfer job to start. If you really intend on working EMS continue on with your Paramedic education ASAP.
 
LA is not known for its EMS, well at least not in a positive way. Odds are you will have to get a transfer job to start. If you really intend on working EMS continue on with your Paramedic education ASAP.

I'am sure one of the others can tell him which company will get him a decent start while he is working on his FF cert and Paramedic.
 
McCormick, Care, AMR

These three keep there standards higher than all the rest. They are also much more difficult to get hired at.

The IFT companies with a better than average reputation:
Bowers and PRN

Any other company will be a medicare frauding renal roundup gig.
 
Where does Schaefer figure in there these days?
 
I know Schaefer lost the Costa Mesa 911 contract to Care....
 
Okay, I was thinking so. I did my last refresher with a couple Schaefer guys at Loma Linda just last year, so I didn't think they went out of business that fast, lol.
 
Okay, I was thinking so. I did my last refresher with a couple Schaefer guys at Loma Linda just last year, so I didn't think they went out of business that fast, lol.

They're still around, have East San Gabriel Valley. Run into them once in a while, when they venture to a hospital out of their area.
 
Thanks I will look into it

Appreciate everyone's responses. Some are a little mysterious, I have no idea why. Could you send me a private email? P G Bognar at G mail dot com no spaces.

Thanks
 
Peter, the mysterious posts are, because, well, some of us are not supposed to shout from the roof tops who we work for, among other things. Anyway, what you didn't say is WHERE in LA you wanted to work. That does make a difference. Consolidate the posts and you'll get some good suggestions that cover pretty much the whole county.
 
Peter,

The 5 companies with primary 911 contracts in Los Angeles are: AMR, Care, Gerber, Westmed-McCormick, and Cole-Schaefer. Gerber runs with Santa Monica and Torrance FD. The rest run with LA County FD. All the other cities have their own FD ambulances (like LAFD or Burbank).

I hear the best things about Care and McCormick. AMR had a strong history of being lazy and unorganized, but have heard that has changed in last couple years. Schaefer seems to run slower areas, but I'm told it's decent exposure. Gerber will probably be slowest. Note that Torrance FD has them respond without lights/sirens to 911 calls and requires them to wait for FD to arrive before going on-scene (except for rare circumstances).

I recommend working for one where you can get high call-volume areas. AMR has Palmdale and Lancaster. Care has Florence and East LA. McCormick has Inglewood and county South Central. Schaefer and Gerber seem to be best for full-time students needing downtime, but who still want some experience. I'm told their schedules are more flexible, also.

I do not recommend working for any other company, as they would be primary Inter-Facility Transports, unless you feel very weak in your assessment skills and need practice. You can learn a good deal from IFTs, but the experience would be over-run by that which you would get at a 911 company (that also does some IFTs). The bar seems to be set lower at those companies, so you won't have the best influences around (this is a generalization). For this reason, you might also be a less desirable applicant at 911 companies later. But if needed, I tend to see Ambuserve, Bowers, and PRN often. Some will very occasionally run backup 911 calls.

911 rates are usually $8-$10/hr. IFT rates are just a bit higher, usually. Go on ride-alongs with all your prospective companies. Talk to the employees. Find out if you'll be required to do a certain number of IFT hours before transferring to a 911 shift. Ask if the attractive hiring bonuses are paid all at once or over an entire year. They can be tricky.

Working in an ER will definitely be good experience. Contact all your local hospitals. Some require phlebotomy certification. Some require 911 field experience. Some just require EMT cert. I would recommend ambulance AND hospital work.


That was my attempt at a comprehensive and non-biased reply.
What are your career goals? Why are you an EMT?
(FD? PD? Pre-med? Physician's Assistant? Private Medic? Nursing? Just for kicks?)
 
Note that Torrance FD has them respond without lights/sirens to 911 calls and requires them to wait for FD to arrive before going on-scene (except for rare circumstances).

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I do not recommend working for any other company, as they would be primary Inter-Facility Transports, unless you feel very weak in your assessment skills and need practice. You can learn a good deal from IFTs, but the experience would be over-run by that which you would get at a 911 company (that also does some IFTs). The bar seems to be set lower at those companies, so you won't have the best influences around (this is a generalization). For this reason, you might also be a less desirable applicant at 911 companies later. But if needed, I tend to see Ambuserve, Bowers, and PRN often. Some will very occasionally run backup 911 calls.

This is the part I don't get when some say doing 911 calls is better than IFT especially if the FD makes you wait before entering the scene. I also take it the FD medic will be on board if the patient if ALS is required. Hence, you end up being the fetch it guy for the FD. On an IFT, you can take the initiative to do some excellent assessments and interview the paitents instead of just standing in the background waiting for the Fire Medics to say you can load and go now.

The bar appears to be set lower at transfer companies because of the "its not 911" attitude displayed by the employees themselves. Somewhere the patient care concept is missed. Thus, if may not be the company that sets the bar but the EMTs with the company recognizing this to use for their own gain when it comes to wages and equipment. Why spend much if you know your employees are only waiting for a glamourous job as the "load 'em up" boys and girls for the FDs?
 
This is the part I don't get when some say doing 911 calls is better than IFT especially if the FD makes you wait before entering the scene. I also take it the FD medic will be on board if the patient if ALS is required. Hence, you end up being the fetch it guy for the FD. On an IFT, you can take the initiative to do some excellent assessments and interview the paitents instead of just standing in the background waiting for the Fire Medics to say you can load and go now.

At least with a medic you get instaneous feedback on what questions/assessment points you missed. In my limited (n=1) experience at large IFT companies, once basics got cleared from field training there was virtually no QA/QI unless something drastic went wrong. I agree that making a provider sit around and wait for the FD is bass ackwards at best, though. That said, I will say that a self directed basic can get a really good experience working IFT. Key word is self directed.
 
This is the part I don't get when some say doing 911 calls is better than IFT especially if the FD makes you wait before entering the scene. I also take it the FD medic will be on board if the patient if ALS is required. Hence, you end up being the fetch it guy for the FD. On an IFT, you can take the initiative to do some excellent assessments and interview the paitents instead of just standing in the background waiting for the Fire Medics to say you can load and go now.

The bar appears to be set lower at transfer companies because of the "its not 911" attitude displayed by the employees themselves. Somewhere the patient care concept is missed. Thus, if may not be the company that sets the bar but the EMTs with the company recognizing this to use for their own gain when it comes to wages and equipment. Why spend much if you know your employees are only waiting for a glamourous job as the "load 'em up" boys and girls for the FDs?

I also don't get the aversion to IFT. It's experience that may get you on a 911 truck if you so desire, and a good majority of your patients on IFT are actually sick, oppose to the toe pains, feeling funny, drunk a lot last night and now have a headache that so burdens 911 agencies. It's also an invaluable time to learn about diseases, injuries, treatments and equipment like trachs and vents and different oxygen delivery devices you wouldn't have much exposure to in the field. You also get experience giving verbal reports to nurses.

Some areas the only "experience" EMTs get in 911 is driving and compressions every so often.

And let's not forget Critical Care trucks are IFT, as are helicopters.
 
This is the part I don't get when some say doing 911 calls is better than IFT especially if the FD makes you wait before entering the scene. I also take it the FD medic will be on board if the patient if ALS is required. Hence, you end up being the fetch it guy for the FD. On an IFT, you can take the initiative to do some excellent assessments and interview the paitents instead of just standing in the background waiting for the Fire Medics to say you can load and go now.

The bar appears to be set lower at transfer companies because of the "its not 911" attitude displayed by the employees themselves. Somewhere the patient care concept is missed. Thus, if may not be the company that sets the bar but the EMTs with the company recognizing this to use for their own gain when it comes to wages and equipment. Why spend much if you know your employees are only waiting for a glamourous job as the "load 'em up" boys and girls for the FDs?

Only two FD's (that I know of) require staging. The 911 experience gained IS offset by never running assessments on critical patient. That's why I don't really recommend it.

Depending on your service area at other companies, you may be first on-scene over half the time. This would be your chance to assess critical patients.

***Now, whether you have to stage for FD or not, you'll be getting a large number of BLS patients handed off to you. That's where most of my assessment practice come from. It's just me in the back. I can go nuts from listening to heart sounds to asking about every risk factor and family history related to chief complaint. As a "bonus" you often get "BLS patients" who should really be ALS (though usually not as obviously unstable).***

I admit IFTs give you a good number of ALS patient assessments, since many nursing homes try to send their patients BLS to the ER to avoid a 911 activation. But the variety might be limited and interspersed with so many routine hospital-to-hospital transfers, regular dialysis visits, and hospital discharges. So many are altered mental status as baseline and stable, so you're limited in the practice you get out of those (reading their discharge papers is interesting/educational I do admit).

My disclaimer is I haven't actually worked for a primary IFT company...though I have done many in between the 911 responses.




As far as the lower bar at IFT companies. Yes, it's likely management allowing it to get the kind of people who will "do their bidding". I'm worried about having a brand new EMT go into that environment, since he won't know any better. He can definitely rise above the rest, but it will be hard for him to know where that bar should actually be. Higher chance of not having good role-models.

When I was new, I kept thinking I was the best, then would work with someone who was way more on top of this stuff than I. The next few months would be spent surpassing that level....until I found someone better. If I had never seen that caliber of work performance, I wouldn't know any better.

Lastly, 911 experience offers the chance to develop quick thinking and quick acting during critical and stressful situations. While EMS doesn't always have to be "go go go", one certainly need to have the ability for it. You want to be able to a have patient vomit, turn the board and suction, while you spike the IV line, and navigate your driver if needed with background noise.

So, in the end, there are definitely trade-offs. I side with 911, because I consider them EMS entities. It would make sense to get one's EMS experience with an EMS company. I definitely acknowledge the valuable experience from IFT's too.
 
Lastly, 911 experience offers the chance to develop quick thinking and quick acting during critical and stressful situations.

You want stressful? Have you non-DNR "stable" BLS hip fx patient suddenly go apneic in the middle of a 2 hour transport! Loads of fun while you're holding on dispatch for the location of the closest hospital.
 
You want stressful? Have you non-DNR "stable" BLS hip fx patient suddenly go apneic in the middle of a 2 hour transport! Loads of fun while you're holding on dispatch for the location of the closest hospital.
Again, not that stressful doesn't happen with IFT's. I ended up bagging the very first IFT I got after field training and my partner had only three weeks experience on me. It was probably my 3rd call ever. It was stressful. But it was still the exception, not the norm.
 
Again, not that stressful doesn't happen with IFT's. I ended up bagging the very first IFT I got after field training and my partner had only three weeks experience on me. It was probably my 3rd call ever. It was stressful. But it was still the exception, not the norm.

That depends entirely on what kind of IFT we're talking about. I'd say that stressful and critical thinking calls are the norm for a medic critical care truck where the patients are actually sick and requiring high levels of care, but defintely not on one that does renal runs and discharges all day.
 
Peter,
I hear the best things about Care and McCormick. AMR had a strong history of being lazy and unorganized, but have heard that has changed in last couple years. Schaefer seems to run slower areas, but I'm told it's decent exposure. Gerber will probably be slowest. Note that Torrance FD has them respond without lights/sirens to 911 calls and requires them to wait for FD to arrive before going on-scene (except for rare circumstances).

Who comes up with this stuff, better yet who allows it?
 
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