Which paramedic school to go to in NY/NJ

[EMSLaw]

K so i guess i shouldnt worry about "accredited" too much since the teaching is all the same.

know anything about emt-b reciprocity from ny to nj and vice versa. i did a little bit of googleing but most thing i read were old and some said one thing and others said another thing. i can take emt-b free here in NJ but i dont know if it would be worth it or how much of a hassle it would be to transfer it over to NJ or if its just a refresher course. And if i do take it here in NJ its either going to be a 1 month day class or 2 month night class over the summer. i dont know how much work it will be or if i should just take the emt class up at RCC.

To New York from New Jersey, as both are both members of the Atlantic EMS Council, reciprocity is reasonably easy, and mainly consists of filling out some forms. In NY, I believe they require that you live, work, or be planning to attend medic school in NY in order to get reciprocity, though.

NJ grants "legal recognition" to NYS EMTs without the need for reciprocity. If your NY cert is valid, you can practice in NJ the same as a NJ EMT-B. If you apply for a NJ Cert by reciprocity, you may have to take Core 13 (the 24 hour refresher) and sit the state exam.

If you are volunteering in New Jersey, and therefore can get the EMT-B course paid by the training fund, then go with that and get NY reciprocity later if you want to attend a NY medic program.

Though, and I will admit this is one of my hobby horses, so take it however you like - if you are not planning on using your state-paid EMT-B cert to actually volunteer for a NJ agency, using the training fund to pay for it - even if someone will agree to sign the form for you - is dishonest and an abuse of the system, which is already going broke because of too many people playing fast and loose with the "free" training, among many other abuses.

 

[Munnugles]

Though, and I will admit this is one of my hobby horses, so take it however you like - if you are not planning on using your state-paid EMT-B cert to actually volunteer for a NJ agency, using the training fund to pay for it - even if someone will agree to sign the form for you - is dishonest and an abuse of the system, which is already going broke because of too many people playing fast and loose with the "free" training, among many other abuses.

Well I have been a volunteer firefighter in my town since 2003 and going to be going through them to get my EMT-b done if i go that route. i already volunteer enough of my time there and i don't know if i would be able to vollie at the ambulance core, have a job, and do medic all at once. that would be too much in my opinion. and having EMT while riding as a vollie firefighter isn't a bad thing also in case there is a need for EMT and we are already on scene. in my eyes im not really just using the system since i already put in alot of time.

 

[8jimi8]

I am not a champion of the so called status quo. I simply stating that a piece of paper saying one community college is "accredited" while others lack that paper will not make paramedics accepted by the rest of the medical community. The BMCC program is not signifactly different from the other community college programs or vice versa. I am sure if they fill out the paperwork, they will be accredited. It will not magically produce better medics. It will not make paramedics higher or lower care than RNs. Whatever problems exist now, will exist than too.

FC it is hard to guage you perspective because you post in such a contrary tone. I don't know if you have a particular problem with me, or if that is just your style. That being said, do you agree that EMS as a Profession deserves to be elevated to at least the status that RNs enjoy?

If the answer to that is affirmative, then what are your sugesstions for accomplishing this paradigm shift where Paramedics are recognized for their skills education and value as part of the healthcare team, rather than... Just another tech...?

 

[firecoins]

FC it is hard to guage you perspective because you post in such a contrary tone. I don't know if you have a particular problem with me, or if that is just your style. That being said, do you agree that EMS as a Profession deserves to be elevated to at least the status that RNs enjoy?

Its probably my style.

Yes I wish to elevate paramedics as being more recognized but comparing what we do with nursing, not so much. I am a paramedic. I am not a nurse. I am not better or worse than a nurse. I am different. EMS is a different beast. I don't if this is what your looking for.

If the answer to that is affirmative, then what are your sugesstions for accomplishing this paradigm shift where Paramedics are recognized for their skills education and value as part of the healthcare team, rather than... Just another tech...?

I already think paramedics are recognized as part of the healthcare team.

 

[firecoins]

K so i guess i shouldnt worry about "accredited" too much since the teaching is all the same.

know anything about emt-b reciprocity from ny to nj and vice versa. i did a little bit of googleing but most thing i read were old and some said one thing and others said another thing. i can take emt-b free here in NJ but i dont know if it would be worth it or how much of a hassle it would be to transfer it over to NJ or if its just a refresher course. And if i do take it here in NJ its either going to be a 1 month day class or 2 month night class over the summer. i dont know how much work it will be or if i should just take the emt class up at RCC.

Get your EMT in NY if you want to do a NY program. Get in Nj if you want a NJ medic. But you could get it in either state really and get reciprocity.

 

[8jimi8]

Its probably my style.

Yes I wish to elevate paramedics as being more recognized but comparing what we do with nursing, not so much. I am a paramedic. I am not a nurse. I am not better or worse than a nurse. I am different. EMS is a different beast. I don't if this is what your looking for.

I already think paramedics are recognized as part of the healthcare team.

I'm not really looking for anything.

It seems to be a pretty common theme that EMS as a whole is undereducated and undercompensated.

I've always felt that RNs and Paramedics are equivalent in the care that they perform, albeit in two different arenas. Paramedics are Trauma/Cardiology specialists and RNs are total body system generalists, but there is so much crossover - to me - they should be equivalent. What is not equivalent is the preparations to enter the two professions.

In taking the step toward 100% accreditation, EMS is moving toward alleviating the education deficit.

I'm sure you would have enjoyed starting your career with the entry level base of what RNs make.

Looking at the other current thread a non-firefighter entry level paramedic makes less money than I did working lunches at Red Lobster 7 years ago.

 

[firecoins]

It seems to be a pretty common theme that EMS as a whole is undereducated and undercompensated.

As far as undercompensated goes....union. Nurses, Cops and firefighters have strong unions. Furthermore hospitals are required by law to have a certain RN to pt ratio. It helps keep their pay high.

I've always felt that RNs and Paramedics are equivalent in the care that they perform, albeit in two different arenas.Paramedics are Trauma/Cardiology specialists and RNs are total body system generalists, but there is so much crossover - to me - they should be equivalent.

ER nurses do trauma cardiology. Although they do not need to intrpret EKGs.

What is not equivalent is the preparations to enter the two professions.

Nurses do not need to be EMT-Bs first or at all.

In taking the step toward 100% accreditation, EMS is moving toward alleviating the education deficit.

I guess but its just a piece of paper. Alot of programs in NY just need to file paperwork. Whatever problems exist now will exist than too.

I'm sure you would have enjoyed starting your career with the entry level base of what RNs make.

Its always about money. That all it is. If medics got paid as much as RNs, it still would be something.

Looking at the other current thread a non-firefighter entry level paramedic makes less money than I did working lunches at Red Lobster 7 years ago.

Its a good place to find people with seafood allergies.

 

[8jimi8]

I guess but its just a piece of paper. Alot of programs in NY just need to file paperwork. Whatever problems exist now will exist than too.

Its always about money. That all it is. If medics got paid as much as RNs, it still would be something.

Its a good place to find people with seafood allergies.

For now it is a piece of paper, but soon, without that paper, no patch. (if you are in a NR state)

It's a sad state though, that accreditation means nothing.

True, maybe it is only about the money.

and LOL on the seafood allergies. heh.

 

[firecoins]

For now it is a piece of paper, but soon, without that paper, no patch. (if you are in a NR state)

It's a sad state though, that accreditation means nothing.

True, maybe it is only about the money.

and LOL on the seafood allergies. heh.

try to be positive. Stop comparing EMS to nursing. Recognize the importance of being a medic and be the best at it. There is never going to be enough money, education or recognition. Its just the nature of the field.

Maybe its just a piece of paper for the NY programs because they aren't medic mills. They are already community colleges with a&p 1 & 2. BMCC is accredited. LaGuardia isn't. They otherwise identical.

 

[8jimi8]

that makes sense

 

[Munnugles]

So as of right now lets say i start medic school and finish it and 2012/3 comes by, and everyone has to be accredited and i have finished medic school and got nr done, will i have a problem later on when it comes to getting a job because i did not go to an accredited school in the first place. I dont want to be screwed over in the long run. RCC is the easiest/closest campus for me. even BMCC is a pain in the *** to get to because its in the city and traffic and tolls and etc...

 

[8jimi8]

From what I have read on the education agenda, those who are already in class prior to the deadline will be grandfathered in. Now then, recertification will probably have to be with an accredited institution, so if you get the patch that way, don't let your cert run out.

 

[firecoins]

So as of right now lets say i start medic school and finish it and 2012/3 comes by, and everyone has to be accredited and i have finished medic school and got nr done, will i have a problem later on when it comes to getting a job because i did not go to an accredited school in the first place. I dont want to be screwed over in the long run. RCC is the easiest/closest campus for me. even BMCC is a pain in the *** to get to because its in the city and traffic and tolls and etc...

It isn't a problem. RCC is the closest, go to it. Check it out before going. I would ask Peter and Eric at RCC those questions. As someone who had to commute into the city for a medic program, it is a pain in the ***.

Also ask hudson. Since Jersey is an NR state, they will likely be taking care of any problems.

 

[Munnugles]

do you by any chance know how long medic school would take at RCC?