Survey finds Honolulu medics favor being merged into FD

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The requested move is based on allegations that the city’s ambulance service is unable to respond to daily emergencies on a timely basis. Low morale, understaffing and ongoing resignations among the paramedic corps are also of concern.
My only question is: how does getting merged into the FD improve any of these issues?

if anything, won't this make the EMS the ******* stepchild of the HFD? The funding is still coming out of the city's budget, but now they will be a division within the FD, without an agency executive who reports directly to the administration.
 
Yup, our EMS is definitely understaffed. The island is roughly 600-ish sq miles, approx 1 million population on island at any given time, and they have 22 ambulances at full staffing. Compared to HFD which has 43 fire stations (and 63 companies)..

More often than not, they're actually only running ~18 ambulances as staffing shortages means it's more common to shut down units for a day than it is to run every unit they have.

In 2023, they published a call volume of more than 95,000 responses. While that averages out to like 11-12 calls per day per unit, the EMS guys I've talked to says that's usually closer to their 12 hour shift average (I guess between not always running even 20 ambulances and the town units getting more of those calls than the country ones, but it's said that even the North Shore units aren't slow anymore...)

So, purely anecdotally speaking from the handful of EMS guys I've had a chance to talk to a little about it (my regular station doesn't have an EMS unit, I mostly only see them on calls, so mostly get a chance to chit chat a couple minutes when I'm working OT at a station where they like to go fuel up) it seems that:

Yes, by and large, all the EMS who have offered an opinion want to merge with Fire. The thought seems to be if they do so, they won't have to down units each day, because any staffing shortages, they'll have us FF serve as EMTs driving the ambulances. That makes a large degree of sense, and would be relatively easy to implement with our current staffing system

More problematic is the idea some seem to have that we'd automatically field more ambulances. Someone once suggested we would end up with an ambulance at every single station. Now I don't know what conversations are going on in Chiefs Land, but nothing that I've heard coming down from the White Shirts would imply that at all, not even adding a couple more ambulance units...

Another big staffing issue with that, is that we, HFD, are only National Registry EMT level. State of Hawaii EMT is an expanded scope over National (they can start IVs and administer a few meds.... we can't even do a finger stick for a BSG reading). So we'd have to have basically the whole Dept to go through the bridge/upgrade program to become State Licensed. (And now you're going to run into issues with the Union who is almost certainly not going to let the Dept just send guys to the training and serve in a whole new role on top of already existing ones without some sort of raise being offered

We also have no Paramedics. Well we have a couple guys who had their Paramedic when they joined, and the Dept has had them keep up that license, mostly to help the Med Section out during CEs and the like) but no one who can just step in and fill an open MICT spot on the actual ambulance... So the existing Medics are still running all the calls they currently are. Joining with HFD won't do much of anything in the near term to cushion that.

Obviously, I think if a merge does happen, they'll have to add those roles, and the training of FFs to State EMT and MICT to staff the ambulances. Which means the Union is going to need to negotiate with the City for the new positions, ad appropriate compensation levels, and get that into our contract (so yeah, a super easy, nice quick process right there.............)
 
Also interesting to note, is that EMS is currently under the Emergency Services Department. Aaaaaaand they feel the need to split off the Ocean Safety Lifeguards into it's own separate Agency, but want to fold EMS under Fire.....

 
Yup, our EMS is definitely understaffed. The island is roughly 600-ish sq miles, approx 1 million population on island at any given time, and they have 22 ambulances at full staffing. Compared to HFD which has 43 fire stations (and 63 companies)..
so, by my rough numbers, you should probably have 40+ staffed ambulances... sounds like your EMS system is understaffed even at full staffing. Sadly, an all too common occurrence in many cities.
Yes, by and large, all the EMS who have offered an opinion want to merge with Fire. The thought seems to be if they do so, they won't have to down units each day, because any staffing shortages, they'll have us FF serve as EMTs driving the ambulances. That makes a large degree of sense, and would be relatively easy to implement with our current staffing system
do firefighters get paid more than ambulance drivers? if so, than it's going to cost the city MORE to have a firefighter be detailed to the ambulance. That also means that firefighter isn't on the engine or truck, so your engine or truck are running short.
More problematic is the idea some seem to have that we'd automatically field more ambulances. Someone once suggested we would end up with an ambulance at every single station. Now I don't know what conversations are going on in Chiefs Land, but nothing that I've heard coming down from the White Shirts would imply that at all, not even adding a couple more ambulance units...
that's a nice idea... but, as i mentioned earlier, who is going to pay for it? HEMS is already a city agency, so it comes out of the city's pool of funds... unless you are going to start closing fire companies are reassigning firefighter from suppression units to transport units
Another big staffing issue with that, is that we, HFD, are only National Registry EMT level. State of Hawaii EMT is an expanded scope over National (they can start IVs and administer a few meds.... we can't even do a finger stick for a BSG reading). So we'd have to have basically the whole Dept to go through the bridge/upgrade program to become State Licensed. (And now you're going to run into issues with the Union who is almost certainly not going to let the Dept just send guys to the training and serve in a whole new role on top of already existing ones without some sort of raise being offered
that should be cost of doing business. If the city wants higher services, they should foot the bill, or run bridge programs while on shift. its the same role, so the city should push back on the unions demands. however, if you are adding the EMS personnel into the fire department's union, that will go over swimmingly... just look at how it worked in NYC.
We also have no Paramedics. Well we have a couple guys who had their Paramedic when they joined, and the Dept has had them keep up that license, mostly to help the Med Section out during CEs and the like) but no one who can just step in and fill an open MICT spot on the actual ambulance... So the existing Medics are still running all the calls they currently are. Joining with HFD won't do much of anything in the near term to cushion that.
and i bet all of those paramedics have little desire to go back to being on the ambulance full time.
Obviously, I think if a merge does happen, they'll have to add those roles, and the training of FFs to State EMT and MICT to staff the ambulances. Which means the Union is going to need to negotiate with the City for the new positions, ad appropriate compensation levels, and get that into our contract (so yeah, a super easy, nice quick process right there.............)
At the end of the day, this is going to cost the city a ton of money... would be cheaper to just staff the EMS system with more units for the call volume, and raise salaries and identify issues to improve recruitment and retension.
 
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