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School Shooting in Minnesota
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http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_080164955.html doesn't reqiure registration.
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One of my co-workers sent the story to me right after it broke. As I may have mentioned before, we do safety inspections of public schools (which includes security issues), so this is of particular interest...and particularly troubling. Since Columbine, a lot of schools have taken positive steps to prevent these kind of tragedies...and a lot haven't. There was a "shooting" a few months at a high school that my co-worker and I both inspected during my training...turned out to be an accidental discharge of a gun that happened to hit another student (not an intentional shooting), but it was still a gun that shouldn't have been on campus.
Sad.
Sad.
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all these school shootings should serve as a reminder to parents that allowing their children to become arrogant and conceited, often times in this day and age gets them the bullets in their bodys they earned
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I believe that the only one who "earned" his bullet was the kid that put it there himself. As far as the others go, being arrogant and conceited, or typical school bullying, does not warrant being MURDERED!
I do agree that the parents are the ones who are at least partially responsible for these recent incidents. The failure to teach children personal responsibility (The Don't Blame Me, (insert product here) Made Me Do It Sydrome) is probably one of the biggest problems facing our society today.
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when youre in a large city, or anywhere else for that matter, do you walk around with money hangine out of your pocket? no, because you know that your action would have a high probability of resulting in it being stolen. That doesnt mean it is ok to steal, but you and society have learned to accept the fact that certain actions have a good potential for certain reactions, right or wrong.
Times they are a changin, it used to bee ok to leave your car unlocked, and now if you do and something gets stolen, you accept the fact that you should not have left your car unlocked. Your actions increased the likelihood that your possessions would disappear.
You used to be able to leave your doors unlocked when ou werent home, society has shifted to where you can no longer do this, you now must accept the responsibility that leaving your door unlocked greatly increses the probability your possessions will be stolen.
In 1955 you could have walked around los angeles telling **** edited by moderator - let's avoid using offensive words just to make a point to get out of your way. today the african american community would likely respond by putting a bullet or ten into you for your choice of terminology. It isnt right, but its the way it is. Accept the fact that your actions result in reactions.
In the twenty first century, bullying and snobbishness can result in your becoming a school shooting statistic. The risk of a victim punching back has shifted to the risk of the victim showing up at school with a firearm and ending the lives of those who taunted and were allowed to taunt. It doesnt make it right to shoot up a school, but it does make it in large part, the victims own fault for taking part in what has become very risky behaviour.
In 1967 condoms werent a neccessity, in 2005 HIV changed that, though a terrible disease, HIV is not on the rise because people take responsibility prior to their actions, instead they take AZT afterward, much in the way parents are increasingly attending their high schoool age childrens funerals.
The reactions may not be right, but they are now a fact of life and the next time you choose to insult someone, or degrade them to make yourself feel powerful, remember that that is the risky behaviour youre teaching your children, not to mention "going postal" has nothing to do with the post office anymore.
Times they are a changin, it used to bee ok to leave your car unlocked, and now if you do and something gets stolen, you accept the fact that you should not have left your car unlocked. Your actions increased the likelihood that your possessions would disappear.
You used to be able to leave your doors unlocked when ou werent home, society has shifted to where you can no longer do this, you now must accept the responsibility that leaving your door unlocked greatly increses the probability your possessions will be stolen.
In 1955 you could have walked around los angeles telling **** edited by moderator - let's avoid using offensive words just to make a point to get out of your way. today the african american community would likely respond by putting a bullet or ten into you for your choice of terminology. It isnt right, but its the way it is. Accept the fact that your actions result in reactions.
In the twenty first century, bullying and snobbishness can result in your becoming a school shooting statistic. The risk of a victim punching back has shifted to the risk of the victim showing up at school with a firearm and ending the lives of those who taunted and were allowed to taunt. It doesnt make it right to shoot up a school, but it does make it in large part, the victims own fault for taking part in what has become very risky behaviour.
In 1967 condoms werent a neccessity, in 2005 HIV changed that, though a terrible disease, HIV is not on the rise because people take responsibility prior to their actions, instead they take AZT afterward, much in the way parents are increasingly attending their high schoool age childrens funerals.
The reactions may not be right, but they are now a fact of life and the next time you choose to insult someone, or degrade them to make yourself feel powerful, remember that that is the risky behaviour youre teaching your children, not to mention "going postal" has nothing to do with the post office anymore.
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I believe that the only one who "earned" his bullet was the kid that put it there himself. As far as the others go, being arrogant and conceited, or typical school bullying, does not warrant being MURDERED!
I do agree that the parents are the ones who are at least partially responsible for these recent incidents. The failure to teach children personal responsibility (The Don't Blame Me, (insert product here) Made Me Do It Sydrome) is probably one of the biggest problems facing our society today. [/b][/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly.
I will say that the American Indian Reservations are from what I understand plagued with alcoholism and unemployment. (YES - not trun in all cases), and on top of the community with nowhere to go, you had a kid whos crys for help went unanswered, and had already committed himself to his actions prior to his arriving at school.
It also is sounding like the senior security guard gave his life to allow more time for students to get away. I'm SURE he did not deserve to die.
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I have a 6 year old son. In December, I just so happened to stop by the school for whatever reason and he was sitting outside the principals office. As soon as he saw me he apparantly thought they had already called me and started crying. Original reason for being there forgot, I turned to him and asked what he did that got him there. All he would say is he is sorry and "they wouldn't stop."
Turns out he had three kids ages 8 and 9 picking on him. They were calling him names, had hit him on more than one occasion, had tore up his art projects (and we all know how special those first grade art projects are). He had been doind what I told him to do, and that is tell the bus driver if there is a problem on the bus, his teacher if there is a problem in the class, ect. The part he had forgot was to also tell me so I can be aware if there is a problem not being solved.
Well on this particular day, he had had enough. He finally told them if they didn't stop being mean to him he would "bring a knife to school, stab them in their hearts, and kill them."
He said he was sorry now, but at the time he meant it. They wouldn't stop. The bus driver couldn't (or wouldn't) make them stop. And when he told them that, they DID stop.
So what do you do? Do you say, well if those boys wouldn't have been picking on him he wouldn't have said it? Or, do you say, he's only 6, he didn't really mean it? According to the schools code of conduct, my son should have been expelled for the remainder of the year, sent to an alternative school, and not allowed back in public school for one additional year, just for the deadly threat. The boys that were "bullying" him, could face 10 days suspension.
The Principal gave me another option. That being counceling. So now my son sees a councelor every 2 weeks. What do they do? They play cards. She spends more time talking to me about my issues than him :lol: :lol: She is able to see what EVERY other person that knows my boy can see. He isn't violent. He had been pushed to a point and when the person trusted to help him wouldn't he felt as though he would take care of the problem himself.
Now, as for my boy. He was punished. The night is happened I had a Sherrifs deputy meet me at their sub-station. He was fabulous. He didn't talk down to my son, or belittle him in anyway. He simply told him some people go to jail for the same things he said. They talked for almost an hour about other options, and then he gave my son his personal cell phone number. He told him if he has any other troubles with those boys (apparantly he knows those boys parents) my son can call him if nobody else can help him. He also received at home punishment.
About 2 days after that happened, I received a phone call from one of the kids parents. After listening to them saying they couldn't believe my boy is still allowed on the bus or in school, I simply asked them, "How does it make you feel to know that YOUR 9 YEAR OLD son has to get together with 2 other boys and torment someone littler than him. Bet it makes you feel like mom of the year, and makes you feel like a real big man." The mom said nothing, the dad said, he gets my point, did not know my son was littler than his, did not know his son had ganged up on mine. Haven't had troubles with that boy since.
Turns out he had three kids ages 8 and 9 picking on him. They were calling him names, had hit him on more than one occasion, had tore up his art projects (and we all know how special those first grade art projects are). He had been doind what I told him to do, and that is tell the bus driver if there is a problem on the bus, his teacher if there is a problem in the class, ect. The part he had forgot was to also tell me so I can be aware if there is a problem not being solved.
Well on this particular day, he had had enough. He finally told them if they didn't stop being mean to him he would "bring a knife to school, stab them in their hearts, and kill them."
He said he was sorry now, but at the time he meant it. They wouldn't stop. The bus driver couldn't (or wouldn't) make them stop. And when he told them that, they DID stop.
So what do you do? Do you say, well if those boys wouldn't have been picking on him he wouldn't have said it? Or, do you say, he's only 6, he didn't really mean it? According to the schools code of conduct, my son should have been expelled for the remainder of the year, sent to an alternative school, and not allowed back in public school for one additional year, just for the deadly threat. The boys that were "bullying" him, could face 10 days suspension.
The Principal gave me another option. That being counceling. So now my son sees a councelor every 2 weeks. What do they do? They play cards. She spends more time talking to me about my issues than him :lol: :lol: She is able to see what EVERY other person that knows my boy can see. He isn't violent. He had been pushed to a point and when the person trusted to help him wouldn't he felt as though he would take care of the problem himself.
Now, as for my boy. He was punished. The night is happened I had a Sherrifs deputy meet me at their sub-station. He was fabulous. He didn't talk down to my son, or belittle him in anyway. He simply told him some people go to jail for the same things he said. They talked for almost an hour about other options, and then he gave my son his personal cell phone number. He told him if he has any other troubles with those boys (apparantly he knows those boys parents) my son can call him if nobody else can help him. He also received at home punishment.
About 2 days after that happened, I received a phone call from one of the kids parents. After listening to them saying they couldn't believe my boy is still allowed on the bus or in school, I simply asked them, "How does it make you feel to know that YOUR 9 YEAR OLD son has to get together with 2 other boys and torment someone littler than him. Bet it makes you feel like mom of the year, and makes you feel like a real big man." The mom said nothing, the dad said, he gets my point, did not know my son was littler than his, did not know his son had ganged up on mine. Haven't had troubles with that boy since.
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Princess I commend the way you handled that situation. Having a deputy talk to him was brilliant. My mom did that to me (I stole a pack of bubble gum when I was 8) and it scared the crap out of me, but also taught me a lesson. Time -out and spankings only do so much and are only good at certain times. It's nice to see a parent who takes the time to really think through what thier child needs. Hell it's nice to see a parent that knows thier child and cares enough to go through the trouble!
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Princess interesting story. I'm glad things worked out. Usually stories that start like that end up going bad because of no-thinking-allowed zero tolerance rules etc. It's impressive the bully's father was willing to listen.
It's sad there is zero tolerance for the end result of bullying, but no zero tolerance of bullying.
It's sad there is zero tolerance for the end result of bullying, but no zero tolerance of bullying.
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I had to read this many times just to let it sink in that it was actually written. It just blows me away that you think if any of my three kids is arrogant or conceited and angers someone in school, that if in fact they get shot by said student they deserve it??? :blink: What? Really?
When I was in school my buddies and I always had guns of some sort, usually rifles, hanging in the back widows of our pickups. Never knew when you might see a coyote on the way home. But we settled our differences the black eye and bloody lip way. Those marks if anything were "earned" as both parties came to battle with the same "weapons" and stood toe to toe. I do not know what is wrong with youth today or how to fix it but I would start with parents.
I scoff at you and your thought that because times have changed we need to accept this way of kids dealing with other kids they hate. School shootings, car theft, home robberies, muggings, car jackings etc. I refuse to accept any of that. If I do then I become part of the problem as well. Nothing gets fixed by people who shrug their shoulders and say, "Well that person must have deserved it and times are changing".