paramedic to bsn
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Summit
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Sure. Just apply to any BSN program and go through the whole program like everybody else.
If you are lucky, you'll get 6 credit hours of elective for your paramedic. You need 60 credits of prereqs to get into a program.
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That deserves repeating.
Unless you have an Associates degree for Paramedic with real college level A&P, you should be looking at BSN programs without any or few shortcuts. If you only have a cert from a medic mill....well..I repeat again Summit's post.
Summit
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Which has nothing to do with having a paramedic cert except it looking nice on the admissions application.
I have found four or five schools that do offer a paramedic to bsn program, and they all state minimum requirement of the license. They have pre-requisite courses, but offer the chance to challenge each course by exam, which I am very confident in.
I repeat, I have found four or five schools already, I was just wondering if anybody knew of any more. I realize the pre-reqs, and I can handle those.
Any *constructive* comments?
I repeat, I have found four or five schools already, I was just wondering if anybody knew of any more. I realize the pre-reqs, and I can handle those.
Any *constructive* comments?
Do you want to list the programs or schools you have found?
We all probably see the same "Paramedic to RN or BSN" ads on the trade websites and magazines such as JEMS. There are also a few "EMT to Doctor" ads out there. Most do come with a catch and you seriously need to read the find print. Once you add up all the hours for the prerequisites and the core nursing classes, the credits given for the Paramedic cert are very few. Even with the 2 year transition program it is not such a deal and many that do go through the shortcuts end up very cheated and scrutinized because they skipped some of the most valuable parts of the nursing education.
Nursing is not as forgiving as EMS when it comes to getting a half-arsed education.
JPINFV
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Really? Darn it, I never leveraged my all important EMT-B cert to get a year off of medical school? FML!
Summit
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http://ceeps.colostate-pueblo.edu/Nursing/BachelorCur/Pages/LPNorOtherHealthProfessionalstoBSN.aspx
Dude... they'll let an EMT do it. Seriously... you are a sucker. It's all about getting you into the program and then you TRY to "test out" of some classes. Now, think for just one second.. exactly which of these courses do you think you will successfully be able to test out of?
NSG 282 LPN Bridge to Professional Nursing
NSG 207 Nursing Pathophysiology
NSG 208 Basic Pharmacology
NSG 302 Health Promotion and Assessment
NSG 302L Health Promotion and Assessment Lab
NSG 322 Nursing Care of the Adult I
NSG 322L Nursing Care of the Adult I Lab
NSG 312 Childbearing Families or Pediatric Nursing
NSG 312L Childbearing Families or Pediatric Nursing Lab
NSG 351 Research in Nursing
NSG 332 Pediatric or Childbearing Nursing
NSG 332L Pediatric or Childbearing Nursing Lab
NSG 382 Psychiatric Nursing
NSG 382L Psychiatric Nursing Lab
NSG 420 Nursing Care of the Adult II
NSG 420L Nursing Care of the Adult II Lab
NSG 442 Public Health Nursing
NSG 442L Public Health Nursing Lab
NSG 431 Gerontological Nursing
NSG 452 Nursing Process: Synthesis
NSG 452L Nursing Process: Synthesis Lab
NSG 451 Nursing Management and Issues
NSG 461 Healthcare Informatics
MAYBE you can test out of the 3 hour pharmacology course... wow! That totally justified going to that program which is 77 credits after prereqs!!!!!!!
Washburn U gives you 11 credits for your paramedic, but they make you take a 2 hour transition course. WOOOO! That totally justifies their tuition! What a time saver... that's like 2 credits per semester!
WSU gives you 8 credit hours for your paramedic. HOLY GUACOMOLE!
Seriously, do you prereqs, get in where you can, go to school like everyone else. Fishing programs to save 8 credit hours isn't actually going to save you time or money.
Dude... they'll let an EMT do it. Seriously... you are a sucker. It's all about getting you into the program and then you TRY to "test out" of some classes. Now, think for just one second.. exactly which of these courses do you think you will successfully be able to test out of?
NSG 282 LPN Bridge to Professional Nursing
NSG 207 Nursing Pathophysiology
NSG 208 Basic Pharmacology
NSG 302 Health Promotion and Assessment
NSG 302L Health Promotion and Assessment Lab
NSG 322 Nursing Care of the Adult I
NSG 322L Nursing Care of the Adult I Lab
NSG 312 Childbearing Families or Pediatric Nursing
NSG 312L Childbearing Families or Pediatric Nursing Lab
NSG 351 Research in Nursing
NSG 332 Pediatric or Childbearing Nursing
NSG 332L Pediatric or Childbearing Nursing Lab
NSG 382 Psychiatric Nursing
NSG 382L Psychiatric Nursing Lab
NSG 420 Nursing Care of the Adult II
NSG 420L Nursing Care of the Adult II Lab
NSG 442 Public Health Nursing
NSG 442L Public Health Nursing Lab
NSG 431 Gerontological Nursing
NSG 452 Nursing Process: Synthesis
NSG 452L Nursing Process: Synthesis Lab
NSG 451 Nursing Management and Issues
NSG 461 Healthcare Informatics
MAYBE you can test out of the 3 hour pharmacology course... wow! That totally justified going to that program which is 77 credits after prereqs!!!!!!!
Washburn U gives you 11 credits for your paramedic, but they make you take a 2 hour transition course. WOOOO! That totally justifies their tuition! What a time saver... that's like 2 credits per semester!
WSU gives you 8 credit hours for your paramedic. HOLY GUACOMOLE!
Seriously, do you prereqs, get in where you can, go to school like everyone else. Fishing programs to save 8 credit hours isn't actually going to save you time or money.
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From the Colorado State - Pueblo website,
These are the prerequisite courses, which, with paramedic license, allow you to start the BSN program as a junior and complete in 2 years. I have some of these requirements and can test out of many others.
SOC SCIENCE Per General Education Requirement 3 Credits
PSYCH 151 Human Development 3 Credits
MATH 156 Introduction to Statistics 3 Credits
CHEM 111 Principles of Chemistry 3 Credits
CHEM 111L Principles of Chemistry Lab 1 Credit
BIOL 223 Human Anatomy and Physiology I 3 Credits
BIOL 223L Human Anatomy and Physiology I Lab 1 Credit
BIOL 224 Human Anatomy and Physiology II 3 Credits
BIOL 224L Human Anatomy and Physiology II 1 Credit
BIOL 206 Microbiology 3 Credits
BIOL 206L Microbiology Lab 1 Credit
ENG 101 English Composition I 3 Credits
ENG 102 English Composition II 3 Credits
SPCOM 103 Speaking and Listening 3 Credits
HISTORY Per General Ed Requirement 3 Credits
HUMANITIES F oreign Language 6 Credits
Total General Education Credit Hours = 43
These are the prerequisite courses, which, with paramedic license, allow you to start the BSN program as a junior and complete in 2 years. I have some of these requirements and can test out of many others.
SOC SCIENCE Per General Education Requirement 3 Credits
PSYCH 151 Human Development 3 Credits
MATH 156 Introduction to Statistics 3 Credits
CHEM 111 Principles of Chemistry 3 Credits
CHEM 111L Principles of Chemistry Lab 1 Credit
BIOL 223 Human Anatomy and Physiology I 3 Credits
BIOL 223L Human Anatomy and Physiology I Lab 1 Credit
BIOL 224 Human Anatomy and Physiology II 3 Credits
BIOL 224L Human Anatomy and Physiology II 1 Credit
BIOL 206 Microbiology 3 Credits
BIOL 206L Microbiology Lab 1 Credit
ENG 101 English Composition I 3 Credits
ENG 102 English Composition II 3 Credits
SPCOM 103 Speaking and Listening 3 Credits
HISTORY Per General Ed Requirement 3 Credits
HUMANITIES F oreign Language 6 Credits
Total General Education Credit Hours = 43
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1. You don't have to be a paramedic to test out of History, Humanities, English, Human Development, Spanish, Stats or Chem. Most schools will let you test out with CLEP, their own test, or AP credit. CSU-Pueblo is not special here. 90% of state schools and many private schools across the country allow you to do this. Anyone can do it if they truly understand the material at a college level, not because you went to P school. You don't need to find a "P to BSN" program to test out of prereqs.
2. Nobody will let you test out of A&P or Micro. If you have college credit A&P, they'll count it of course. They expect you to show up with it. Besides, your paramedic experience hasn't given you the knowledge to test out of Microbiology.
3. If you are smart and educated, you'll get out of prereqs because of it, not because you have a P cert. P cert looks good on an app and will help you through experience. THAT IS ALL. It is not a shortcut to BSN.
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Here is your time saver to prereq credit: College-Level Examination Program http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/clep/exams.html
You'd better know it at the college level or you won't get a high enough score to get credit. Check with your desired school. Most want a 55 mininum (that's about a B equivelent).
Some tests available: Biology, Chemistry, Algebra, Psychology, Sociology, Human Development, various History, Spanish, English Composition
I had to CLEP out of College Algebra because my Calculus classes was considered expired after ten years.
You'd better know it at the college level or you won't get a high enough score to get credit. Check with your desired school. Most want a 55 mininum (that's about a B equivelent).
Some tests available: Biology, Chemistry, Algebra, Psychology, Sociology, Human Development, various History, Spanish, English Composition
I had to CLEP out of College Algebra because my Calculus classes was considered expired after ten years.
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Don't take offense Vent,Summit and a few others who have yet to contribute just like yanking chains when the opportunity is there. Sometimes a newbie to the board starts a thread that they just cant resist. Its all good and meant to make you think,trust me on this one, so keep coming back.
I must say even though we are different in our thinking on some subjects they are spot on and offering you very constructive criticism,it might seem harsh but especially in Vents case your getting criticism from someone with many years of experience in the hospital setting. You wont find much love on this board if your trying to short cut your way into nursing school or EMT or medic or any other school. I have been waiting for five years to get started with my pre reqs for nursing school so I know how tempting it is to try and worm in under the radar so to speak but you will regret it and it could prove to hurt you in the long run. I could give you a multitude of scenarios and reasons but I think you can figure out where we are going. If my math is correct and I start next year I should be all done with nursing school in five years this is following the footsteps of our last tech that went to nursing school starting from square one while working full time. I have been very careful to take every step on the EMS ladder starting years ago and I know I will be in my early fifties before Im all done but its important to do things the right way and I plan on getting the best education possible with no short cuts. You also have to consider how you will be accepted by your peers,you may not care but its something to think about. Constructive enough?
In the years I have worked in the ER I have seen many techs that were medics go on to become RN's and all did it the good old fashioned way. It might help if we knew where in the world you are located and where you want to hang your RN hat once your done with school. Like almost everything else every state is different and if you want the truth every hospital has its own ideas on what is considered acceptable education. I always tell people you need to research your local market or the market that you plan on working in. You seem to have done some research but maybe dig a little deeper.
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Just a friendly warning about getting your hopes up, we probably have all had them dashed by programs like those.
Look into cost as well as time saved. Ask a counselor about the success rate. It would be good to talk to someone who CLEP'ed out of a course and see if they found later it would have been better to have gotten the whole course.
Right now BSN slots in many (if not most) schools are IMPACTED due to high demand and low budgets (meaning, fewer classes). Good luck, and do not settle for a lesser degree or license on the way except for survival money.
>>Just a friendly warning about getting your hopes up, we probably have all had them dashed by programs like those.
Look into cost as well as time saved. Ask a counselor about the success rate. It would be good to talk to someone who CLEP'ed out of a course and see if they found later it would have been better to have gotten the whole course.
Right now BSN slots in many (if not most) schools are IMPACTED due to high demand and low budgets (meaning, fewer classes). Good luck, and do not settle for a lesser degree or license on the way except for survival money.
The end goal of my education is to get that bachelor's degree and go on to medical school. I am not trying to short cut anything, I am just trying to use my previous knowledge and experience to my best advantage. I understand the hardships and possible pitfalls of some of these courses. The fact of the matter is just because I am an EMT and almost paramedic, which many people regard as a career requiring little training or intelligence, I really have been through a lot of training and my knowledge of things like A&P are pretty thorough. Thanks a great deal for the link to the CLEP website. I do appreciate the advice. I know that there will be a great deal of work involved.
As another line of thought on this, do any of you have suggestions as to what would be my best course of action to get to medical school? Maybe a different Bachelor program would be better for me. I just want to do something that will help me to learn but might also take into account my previous experience and knowledge.
As another line of thought on this, do any of you have suggestions as to what would be my best course of action to get to medical school? Maybe a different Bachelor program would be better for me. I just want to do something that will help me to learn but might also take into account my previous experience and knowledge.
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I'm a little unclear as to what education you already have. Do you have a bachelor's? If so, why are you considering becoming a nurse? If you want to become a medical doctor, go to med school. If you don't already have a bachelor's then you'd need to get one in pre-med, biology, some sort of science. I know one person who is in med school now and another who could not get in, even though she had very good grades in college. She is now in a master's program that will help her get into med school. They both are young (in their mid 20's).
Have you actually taken any college level classes that are part of the listed prerequisities? The condensed version in a Paramedic class is nothing compared to the two classes required for other health care professions. The same for even what is considered "Basic" pharmacology at a college level. The word "Basic" is not referencing EMT-B. There is nothing in either the EMT-B or P curriculum the will prepare you to test out of college level A&P. As well, there is nothing in the EMT-B or P tha prepares you for nursing school and especially not the clinicals.
Also, even if you do slip by on a CLEP test by quessing, you will find that without a good science base, you may be washed out of the program later when you can only recite a few "memorized" things and not an actual grasp of the theory behind the concepts.
It is better he understands a few basic priniciples of reality before he signs a loan for these very expensive schools.
As the old saying goes "They saw him coming".
As an educator who reviews transcripts for transfer into our nursing and allied health programs, unless they have the prequisites to match up with what is required, they do not get special treatment because they are an EMT. I would also scrutinize his CLEP if he could only show an EMT-B cert for "training".
Do you have a BS already? If not, and you want go to to med school, GO TO COLLEGE. Spend four years and get a traditional university experience. Make good grades in pre-med courses (Chem, Orgo, Bio, Physics). Consider taking additional college-level classes such as Physiology, Pharmacology, Biochemistry. Psychology, Sociology, a Health Economics/Policy class, etc.
Get a really good foundation education before moving on.
Good Luck!
Dan