Oxy Hemoglobin right shift

But it's not the first thing it does. It's the second. And it does what it can to get the pH normal. That's the most important thing. Balance the pH. The body will speed up ventilations naturally, but it can only do so much for so long. And it is by no means whatsoever fixing the problem. So it doesn't work.

If you want to get into specifics. The first, should be broken into 2 parts. So technically respiratory compensation would be 3rd. Extracellular buffers (mostly bicarb) rapidly buffer pH. While intracellular (mostly phosphates and proteins) takes longer, minutes.


Then it gets a whole a lot more complicated once the kidneys start responding to your acid-base imbalance after the lungs have been working for hours.
 
God I feel so dumb when I get on this forum. This kinda knoledge isn't provided in school. How do you guys gain this information?
 
God I feel so dumb when I get on this forum. This kinda knoledge isn't provided in school. How do you guys gain this information?

A lot of our experienced regulars have a lot of advanced training and higher degrees. A lot of us will do classes for fun. ;)
 
God I feel so dumb when I get on this forum. This kinda knoledge isn't provided in school. How do you guys gain this information?

I was a respiratory therapist before I got all of my medic credentials. But also throughout all of that I was the perpetual 6yo kid always asking "why" each and every shift.
 
Yah very smart people, I just feel like an idiot lol. I'm trying to learn though. That's why I joined this forum.
 
God I feel so dumb when I get on this forum. This kinda knoledge isn't provided in school. How do you guys gain this information?

Real school beyond paramedic education. I'd wager a bet that many of the knowledgeable posters on here have at least Bachelor level science backgrounds, with a fair number of Masters thrown in. Physiology courses unlock so many mysteries!
 
Real school beyond paramedic education. I'd wager a bet that many of the knowledgeable posters on here have at least Bachelor level science backgrounds, with a fair number of Masters thrown in. Physiology courses unlock so many mysteries!

Not all. I'm a college dropout. I'm votech trained in each and every credential. Got mine before the degree requirements. Yeah, I'm that old.
 
Yah very smart people, I just feel like an idiot lol. I'm trying to learn though. That's why I joined this forum.

I've got the one thing you cannot teach... experience.
 
So the DKA call had Sodium Phosphate running along with insulin, versed, antibiotic and dopamine. The sodium phosphate was the intracellular buffer?
 
So the DKA call had Sodium Phosphate running along with insulin, versed, antibiotic and dopamine. The sodium phosphate was the intracellular buffer?

Yes. But insulin, sodium phosphate, AND dopamine? What was BGL, ABG's, & VS???
 
just to clear things up for people, (unless im wrong), In DKA you're target is not to correct the acidosis (bicarb is for the potassium shift).

a pH of 7.2 isnt of concern if you are controlling K+ in my opinion. The heart enjoys acidosis. <7.0 is a real concern (patient dependent of course). This seems to be the trend I am seeing, where I used to see a rule that almost any acidosis below 7.2 received bicarb
 
Glucose 2000 Bp 78/46 hr 110 etco2 25 ph 7.20, bicarb 10

That's what I thought. The DKA, or even possible HHNK, wasn't the only thing dropping the pH.
 
I have been doing research on the Disassociation curve and I have a question. With a right shift caused by acidosis or increased HGB levels you get a decreased SPO2 value with the same PA02 pressure. According to my research this is very efficient at the tissue level because it has a looser binding to the 02. Soooo how is this ever a problem? I understand how a left shift would be a problem. But a right shift seems very efficient at the tissue level.

If you really must categorize things into "good" and "bad," a right shift is sorta good for nasty, shocky, hypoxic states because it helps unload that oxygen at the tissues. It also makes it harder to bind the oxygen in the alveoli, but if somebody's breathing effectively -- better yet, if we're breathing for them with high-concentration oxygen, at whatever rate we please -- we can usually deal with that. We'll just breathe more, increasing PaO2 as necessary. As long as the lungs are functioning properly we can usually maintain a nice saturation in the blood, but we CANNOT do anything to unload that oxygen at the tissues. So a left shift would help us oxygenate the blood (but we probably don't need help with that) while making it harder to actually deliver that oxygen to the hungry cells. Bad deal.

That's why right shifts are considered more physiological for most distressed states like shock, sepsis, or just running a 5k. A left shift is great for watching TV (hey, who wants to breathe hard for that?) but not for most emergencies.

Remember that your body likes to be able to both scale up metabolic processes for high demand and also scale them back to conserve energy when demand is low. (Why have a parasympathetic system at all? Wouldn't it be better to be oozing adrenaline from our eyeballs and constantly bouncing off the walls? Well, it might make Thanksgiving dinner a little stressful.)

Obviously this all changes if you're having trouble oxygenating the blood, such as in respiratory emergencies.
 
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