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I'm starting EMT school on May 11. I'm not sure if "m going to stick with being an EMT/Paramedic or if I'll go the firefighter route. I live in Texas. I'm wondering what the salary differences are between Basic, Intermediate, and Paramedic. I'm also wondering what the differences are as a firefighter. Can someone answer these questions for me?
 
Private EMT B/I/P 10-16/hr.

Firefigher-- Fort Worth starts ~$45k a year, not including benefits.


Honestly, going the fire route is the more financially secure route in Texas, much to the chagrin of many here.


What school you going to?
 
I'm going to Lone Star College in The Woodlands. But I'm trying to find out how much more money Intermediates make than Basics, and how much more Paramedics make than Intermediates as EMT's and as firefighters. Thanks for the reply. It helps me out alot. I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to go beyond the Intermediate level or not, but I have plenty of time to decide, I guess.
 
I's aren't utilized that much in Texas. Infact, the only place I can name off hand that doesn't use B's but uses I's is Arlington.

If you're going to go past B, might as well go to P.


Even if you DO go the FF route, might as well go FF/P.
 
Usually, Intermediates don't make any more than Basics. In most Texas systems, Intermediates are not even utilized as independent care givers, but are interchangeable with Basics. Intermediate is a very old, outdated idea that really has no place in twenty-first century EMS. The original idea was to provide a couple of critical skills for use in rural systems, where trauma victims were a long way from a hospital. Since then, we have learned that trauma victims do not benefit from those skills, and in fact suffer from Intermediates screwing around on the scene trying. But EMS is running about twenty years behind the research, so we still haven't seen the I level die out completely, even though it serves no real purpose.

If you can avoid going to Intermediate training, do so. It fragments your paramedic education and results in a lesser provider than if you went straight through a real paramedic school.

As for the fire thing, that's up to you. But you don't have just a whole lot of choices in the Houston area. Most EMS is fire-based. But there are a couple thousand people applying for each and every one of those fire jobs, so the competition is fierce, and most people never get one. Being a paramedic definitely increases your chances a little, but it's still a gamble, so you better have a Plan B. That means either moving out of the area, to some place that has real EMS, or going on to nursing school. There are a whole lot of medics in the Houston area that can find nothing but $12 dollar an hour non-emergency transfer jobs, and never even get to use the education they spent two years and thousands of dollars obtaining.
 
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If you can avoid going to Intermediate training, do so. It fragments your paramedic education and results in a lesser provider than if you went straight through a real paramedic school.

Do you have any scientific proof of this?

I work with some of the best medics in the country(my opinion also the opinion of a higly recognized EMS publication) they are all required to be EMTs before continuing their education.

Lesser provider? I would like to see proof of this.

I agree the American EMT education leaves something to be desired. However if your system allows bad habits, shortcuts and no accountability then yes you will become a product of your system.

Sorry for hijacking.
 
Do you have any scientific proof of this?

I work with some of the best medics in the country(my opinion also the opinion of a higly recognized EMS publication) they are all required to be EMTs before continuing their education.

Lesser provider? I would like to see proof of this.

I agree the American EMT education leaves something to be desired. However if your system allows bad habits, shortcuts and no accountability then yes you will become a product of your system.

Sorry for hijacking.
Two words. Permissive hypotension.

IVs and fluid resuscitation for trauma are being looked at really critically right now. There is no evidence to suggest that even paramedics preforming such procedures are benefitting the trauma patient. An EMT with a few hundred ad on hours that can hang saline, not going to do much but drown out the few remaining RBCs the patient still has circulating.

As for being a lesser provider, there is a study (I will attempt to find it) that compares nurses with years of experience and nurses straight out of RN school, and their success in nurse practitioner school. The RNs straight out of RN program preformed better in NP school, and had better outcomes for simple disease management than the RNs with years of experience. I theorize that the new RNs were less prejudiced and more willing to learn everything, unlike "experienced" providers who go back to school and try to ignore things they do not believe are relevant.
 
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Aren't I's being phased out? I thought the change in thinking was to include EMT, Advanced EMT and then Paramedic? I don't think there is an institution here in AZ that has training for I's anymore.
 
Yeah, for the most part.

Arlington (Texas) Fire Department still has a bunch of I's as that's the minimum level. My money is on theyw on't get rid of them for quite a while.
 
FFM is the more financially secure route, and should allow for significant career growth. It would be prefersble if you were to do a few years as a medic before crossing over to the fire side. Learning your probie stuff, and working as a new medic simultaneously, with all of the studying/review involved, will be too much. I you become competent at paramedicine, you'll be able to devote a larger percentage of time to becoming a good firefighter. I can't speak of the quality of Texas third service EMS. If you want to be a career medic, be it third service or fire based, you'll want a pension. The money is good, but not great, so a defined benefit plan will take some of the stress off of contributing to your 457, although you probably should put into that, as well. In our line of work you'll observe how the elderly end up without a solid retirement plan. Plan accordingly.
 
I thought that you had to be an I before you could be a Paramedic? Or one year as a emt-b before you could go to paramedic school. Thats what someone told me when I was in California. I just moved to Texas last month, currently looking for a job as a emt-b, would like to do that for a while before deciding on paramedic school or fire acadamy. :)
 
I thought that you had to be an I before you could be a Paramedic? Or one year as a emt-b before you could go to paramedic school. Thats what someone told me when I was in California. I just moved to Texas last month, currently looking for a job as a emt-b, would like to do that for a while before deciding on paramedic school or fire acadamy. :)

They told you wrong. You don't have to be an I before medic, and you also do not have to have experience as a Basic before medic school.
 
They told you wrong. You don't have to be an I before medic, and you also do not have to have experience as a Basic before medic school.

Thanks that is good to know. Now all I have to do is figure out what exactly it is I want to do. I suppose I cant do it all, at least not all at once :) Right now I guess I will take getting some experience before moving right along.
 
Thanks that is good to know. Now all I have to do is figure out what exactly it is I want to do. I suppose I cant do it all, at least not all at once :) Right now I guess I will take getting some experience before moving right along.

Well, since you said you might want to become an FF, you might as well start paramedic school anyhow. A big portion of FDs in Texas require paramedic.
 
I should probably take like 10 math classes first that is my weakest point. even when I was in medical assisting school I struggled I can only imagin what medic school would be like. However I am intrested and I could probably get it paid for that would be awsome.
 
I thought that you had to be an I before you could be a Paramedic?
It's hard to believe you were told that in California, where Intermediate is almost completely non-existent. I think you are confusing Intermediate for the Roman numeral I, which is the California equivalent for EMT-B.

Intermediate is also very rare in most of Texas. And the people who get Intermediate certification often have a hard time finding a completion course to become a paramedic, and end up taking the whole course with no credit for their I cert.
 
It's hard to believe you were told that in California, where Intermediate is almost completely non-existent. I think you are confusing Intermediate for the Roman numeral I, which is the California equivalent for EMT-B.

Intermediate is also very rare in most of Texas. And the people who get Intermediate certification often have a hard time finding a completion course to become a paramedic, and end up taking the whole course with no credit for their I cert.

It was just a friend of mine that told me, I was not sure about it. did not think it was right however I was told a lot of diffrent things by diffrent people. I am glad to be out of California and in Texas. I am ready to get a job Need to take the Texas test first I have been told. I would like to try to get on at Ft. Bliss and if thats the case I have been told that I do not have to take the test because it is federal.

I have an appt on wed that will help me clear everything up and get on the right track. Yeah I would just go straight for paramedic instead of going for I first though. Just want to get a job so I can decide what it is I want to do in the future :)
 
I have no first hand experience but I've heard that some areas of california do require street experience as an EMT-B before getting into paramedic school. That's not the case in most areas of the country so don't worry about it. You're talking about a career here, not a job and definitely not a hobby. You should completely forget about the pay scale and decide what you want to do, then once you have that figured out look at how much that job pays and if you're willing to live the lifestyle provided by that level of income. If you are choosing to become a paramedic based on pay I will tell you now, you will be a crappy medic and are part of the problem with our profession for those of us that actually care about what we do.

Don't know much about Texas but here in Wisconsin county based third services are starting to gain popularity. At those services the pay is very similar to fire departments and private services aren't that far behind. My area paramedics start between 40&45k/year without working any extra overtime.
 
I dont know the exact pay scale, however I know that I am by no means gonna make a ton of money. I would rather be doing what I love and not make as much than have a job I hate and make a ton of money. Money is important for survival you know food bills blah blah as long as that is taken care of all is good. My husband is in the army so I dont have t o worry about benefits and things like that. I just want to help people even if dont realize or appreciate it. I would just think of them as family lol, :)
 
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