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Now I am hacked!!!


The ambulance administrator for our service just left my office. He is a great guy and backs the DT4EMS program. He came to ask some advice regarding a recent incident.

He walks in and asks “Would you ever un-arrest a murder suspect and send them by ambulance to the hospital…… without police escort?”

He was asking about what I would have done had I have still been in law enforcement.

I asked him what was going on and he stated “They (sheriff/deputies) told the crew they were not going to go with the ambulance to the hospital and didn’t want to be responsible for the bill. “

I started coming unglued!

A little background………..

Last week a man (allegedly) went into an apartment to kill his ex-wife/girlfriend and her boyfriend. He pulled the trigger and NADA.

So……. He leaves, goes next door, and asks to borrow the neighbor’s phone. In cold blood he shoots the neighbor in the head.

A manhunt ensues. They find the guy in the woods and his elbow was injured.

Now………. Like I said……….. people don’t believe EMS are potential victims of assaults. This just friggin proves it.
 
Hmmm back in EMT class.. when verbalizing a scenario.. first thing we would ask is "Is the scene safe?" I don't take any risks of that nature any more no matter who tells me it's okay.

I had a sheriff send a gal to the ER in my rig only to have the ER charge nurse refuse to let her in the door until I had the sheriff on the phone assuring the staff that she had been thoroughly searched for weapons. Seriously, met the rig outside the ER doors saying No! Apparently she had a history.
 
BossyCow said:
Hmmm back in EMT class.. when verbalizing a scenario.. first thing we would ask is "Is the scene safe?" I don't take any risks of that nature any more no matter who tells me it's okay.

I had a sheriff send a gal to the ER in my rig only to have the ER charge nurse refuse to let her in the door until I had the sheriff on the phone assuring the staff that she had been thoroughly searched for weapons. Seriously, met the rig outside the ER doors saying No! Apparently she had a history.
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Pfft......... but is was supposed to be "OK" for you to sit with her outside.......

People really hack me off..........
 
DT4EMS said:
Pfft......... but is was supposed to be "OK" for you to sit with her outside.......

People really hack me off..........
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Wasn't the issue, cop had searched her, she was fine, nurse just wouldn't take my word for it, wanted to talk to the cop directly. Nurse didn't care if I was safe. She was merely trying to make a point with the cop.

The girl was released from a local women's prison earlier that day, they gave her a bus ticket home and a bottle of valium. She got home with 3 valium left in the bottle, a severe buzz and a bunch of new bus friends.
 
I have taken care of more ems personal due to these type of incidents, and so of those folks never got back on the rigs due to the injuries that they received from "patients". Now more then ever we need these classes to be taught to protect EMS!!!
 
I once had a call where I was dispatched to the scene of local police. THe dispatcher did not say for what. On arrival they guy in cuffs has deep cuts in his wrist and needed stitches. The police just handed me a guy in handcuffs and follwed us to the ER without telling me why he was arrsted. A police officer is supposed to get in the rig with me on any suspect in handcuffs.

En rounte I found out the patient was suicidal. The good thing is the police had to take him to the mental heath facility for the night.
 
If all of you folks hear a LOUD banging noise it is me hitting my head against the proverbial wall!!:wacko: Lord people can be so dumb!:blink:
 
Please tell me this crew did not agree to transport this patient! That is absolutely crazy!

I am not saying that I have never made an error in judgement before - I am sure all of us have at some point. It just seems to me that this particular situations has more than red flags, they are great big, huge, blinding, red flares. To transport this patient goes against everything we have ever been taught about first and foremost keeping ourselves safe.
 
I am still waiting to see what is put in writing. Regardless..... it shouldn't have happened.
 
I am curious why the patient required EMS transport ? Other wise if he is "mentally" without physical problems they go by LEO vehicle.

You as a medic needs to say .. "Whoa !".. I would not place the vehicle into drive until my satisfaction was met.. such as history, why he is in cuffs, and as well obtaining an adequate history on the patient. Just because someone has the badge does not eliminate a history assessment, physical examination, etc..

They called me.. not the other way. You are the one responsible for your personal safety as well as the call.

R/r 911
 
Ouch. Last time I took a murder suspect, a cop rode with, and another one followed...
 
Cop no ride, suspect no ride.

Who are they going to point to when he runs? Cause if he points gun at me and says "I'M leaving" The only thing I will say is "OK Be careful"
 
jeepmedic said:
Who are they going to point to when he runs? Cause if he points gun at me and says "I'M leaving" The only thing I will say is "OK Be careful"
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Amen!

"Have fun, buddy. I didn't see nuttin'."
 
Just because I have a curious nature I'll ask this. How long is it going to take before some of you ask your administrators to sponsor a DT4EMS class? Everyone here knows the problem and understands that something needs to be done. Dt4EMS can also speak with your bosses if thats the only obstacle.
 
O.k. you guys, what in the heck is a "LEO" ?:blink:
 
LEO = Law Enforcement Officer, a police officer in other words.
 
Thank-you Firecoins!!:)
 
Wow... this is CRAZY.

I wouldn't like it from the EMS perspective, but I would FLIP if I saw this in the hospital I work security at... Why? Because PD should be babysitting this guy... further... if he elopes.. do they expect me to chase him down? Fat chance!
 
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