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Our SOP's state the trucks have to be washed at least once every shift. It doesn't matter when, it just has to be done at least once before we leave at 0700. My partner and I cleaned ours at about 2000, inside and out. We only ran 2 more calls all night, one of which was an out of county transfer at 2230. We got back into county at 0009. We went to the road shop for fuel, since we were at 3/4. While fueling, my partner and I were talking and I wasn't paying attention to how full the tank was so some of the diesel splashed out. It landed on the door, the wheel well, the ground, and the step. As far as the step goes, it landed on the edge, and with the door open, the door covers the area of the step it landed on. Total amount splashed was probably less than 1 cup. My medic looked at it, asked me if the steps had fuel on them and I showed her where the door would cover it so she could get out. We went back to station.

When we got there, we both decided we would go up and do our reports (she had one and so did I) and then we would rewash the truck after our next call. Keep in mind, I am assigned to the busiest truck in the county with the biggest coverage area. We didn't go back out again. It was GLORIOUS!! My truck averages 15-17 calls/shift....yesterday we had 5.

Anyway, the next crew gets in at 0645 and wakes us up. Its the Medics first full shift back since being cleared off of Workers Comp a couple days ago. So we start pass on, letting them know everything they never wanted to know about the station/truck/info he missed while gone/whatever they need. The county purchased Nextel Blackberries for every truck, so we gave them a quick lesson on how to use it.

We told them we did have the truck clean, but since we didn't go back out we did not rewash it like we had planned. Asked if they wanted us to go ahead and do it for them...No, it was okay, they'd take care of it. We all walked down to the truck together. My medic started gathering up the trash. I showed the oncoming EMT where I splashed the Diesel. Asked him again if he wanted me to pull it out and hose it off for him. No, its fine, he'd take care of it. And home we went. Keep in mind, my medic and I had both climbed in and out of that door at least 2 times each after the diesel splash (gathering our stuff to leave, her getting out to get back to station, ect.)

A little bit ago my partner calls me (we left station at 0745, she called about 1500). The medic on the truck slipped and fell on the step of the truck and possibly broke his shoulder. She didn't have many details yet, but basically the EMT on the truck called her and told her I spilled so much diesel all over the steps that his partner slipped on it. 15 HOURS LATER!! 7 HOURS AFTER THEY CAME ON SHIFT!!!

My medic said she basically told him, he was told about the diesel splash, and even shown the areas the diesel hit, and he said he would take care of it. He had 7 hours from the time he was notified to let his partner know diesel was spilled there and wash off the truck. There is a hand rail to hold onto when getting in and out and its there to prevent you from falling. So his partner being hurt is not hers or my fault.

but...

I did cause the splash. And I should have washed if off when we got back, not counted on getting another call and doing it then (We are Medic 9 for crying out loud....we work that truck knowing we won't be sleeping...knowing we are going to get our butts handed to us over and over each shift...no crew on medic 9 has slept through the night in anybodies recent memory!)

So what do you think? Can I be held responsible for his injury? How long does diesel stay on a metal surface anyway? After it evaporates, how long does the surface stay slippery? From the road shop to our station its about 8 miles with the average speed being 50 MPH...so I drove it that far/fast after the splash....plus however far/fast they drove today before he fell....
 
Diesel can remain slippery for quite a while. Somebody should have washed it off with some soap & water. Maybe not you, but somebody should have.

It's quite likely that they didn't think anything of it and thought that it was evaporate and be gone just like water. I don't think this is really anybody's fault. You informed them of the issue and offered to correct it and they chose to do nothing about it even after being made aware of it.

Hopefully the guy didn't break anything and isn't too bent out of shape about it.

Do you guys have a procedure on spills? Or is someone going to try to say "Dude, bogus. They left us with a filthy rig. Weak!" at you & your partner?
 
I am not sure what they are saying yet. Basically, my partner and I shouldn't know about it yet. BUT, even if they do try the leaving them with a dirty truck line, someone will call them on it. My partner is OBSESSIVELY CLEAN. And its common knowledge. She's been with the county for almost 15 years now and has never once had a complaint about leaving the truck dirty. She doesn't do it. It will be clean by 0700, not an option. During the summer she is out washing the truck at 0300 b/c its to freakin HOT here to wash anything once the sun comes up. And our station is right on the beach, so I swear its hotter there b/c of the sun reflecting off of the Gulf and the White Sand.

I am just kind of stressing about it I guess. I hope he didn't break his shoulder, but GEEZ!! And I am sure his EMT feels just awful b/c he knew about it and didn't correct it like he said he would and now his partner is hurt....OH, and he also has to man our BLS transfer truck now until they either find a Medic to cover or his partner gets back to work.

I dunno...won't know anything until Friday when I go back to work.
 
I wanna play, "Let's drink the stuff under the sink."; I'll go last since I suggested it.
 
I have a new knickname for Princess based on her last few topics posted....

TROUBLEMAKER!!!


;)
 
I don't know if you can be held liable, financially liable that is, but I think I can smell some time off coming down the road. IMO, you should have washed it off as soon as it happened, or as soon as possible, for no other reason then your own personal safety.

How would you have felt if it was you that fell as you were getting out of the truck?
 
I doubt you'll get time off for it, but I'm sure you'll get the phone call...Since you told them (either or both) and offered to clean it up, I can't see you being held responsible for it, although they probably will whack you over the head with a safety lecture.
 
Stories like these are EMS. Lets just hope nothing is broken, and it was a lesson learned. I realized in EMS that I can't leave anything to be done by someone else (clearning wise). I just do it, or we do it together.

Keep us updated!
 
Wow...

I second the "Troublemaker" post.

I agree that you probably won't get any time off - I think you might just get yelled at... someone else accepted responsibility for the problem.
 
Here is the solution to all this stress; Let's start a Rock Band!

Princess & The V-Fibs

It'll be so keen. All the hep cats will come and check it out, lol.

maybe even

NR & The EMT's

It's gonna be swell!
 
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Drama Drama Drama...will it ever leave the EMS????? highly doubtfull!!!
 
HFD EMS said:
Drama Drama Drama...will it ever leave the EMS????? highly doubtfull!!!

Heck, you get drama anywhere you go...

Anyway, I worked a 12 hr for OT today. My CPT made special trip in to talk with me.

Nutshell...

1. He accepted responsiblity for it when he said he would take care of it.
2. They had 8 hours from the time of shift change to correct it. He didn't even tell his Medic it had happened.
3. The Medic needs to learn how to use the hand rail when climbing in and out
4. The EMT needs to work on his honesty (guess there was an issue with his story changing from the time it happened, to when he talked to his CPT, to when they talked to the Cheif).
5. Next time wash it off as soon as we have the chance. Don't wait.
6. Quit my damn worrying....my CPT won't let C-Shifts CPT hang us out to dry.
7. Shoulder not broken...rotator cuff torn.
 
EMS, we know drama.
 
disassociative said:
EMS, we know drama.
They even make drama television shows about it. :P

Princess, I'm glad everything is working out okay. And I'm very glad it wasn't you that got hurt.

Chimp
 
Okay,

Princess, glad things are a bit better. Now you gave me a chance to tell my rotator cuff story.

On my second shift in EMS I was in the back for the first time alone with a patient. It was a 300 lb lady going home to a house in Detroit, up a few flights of stairs. After struggling a bit we get her loaded up and start transport. A mile down the road she starts screaming in a low voice.. "Mah Rotatorrr Broken... My rotatttorrr."

I wanted to cry like a little girl. What the hell is a rotator? I put her on O2 via NRB @ 15 liters and my partner turned the ambulance around. When we carted her *** into the ED the charge nurse hells "Get her off O2 and get her out of my ER." We didn't.

They ended up calling another unit to transport her home (another one of our units). I guess it was pure hell getting her up the stairs at her house... in Detroit... at 3:00 AM.

Now I know what a rotator cuff is :)
 
LMAO!! Thanks Matt! Sometimes, after you tell your "did I do/say that" stories....I feel SOOOO much better!!!:P :P :P
 
YAY!

Great stories, between the two of you I get a good laugh at least once a day.
 
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