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Hey guys, my name is Mike, I'm 18, and I'll be testing out for EMT-B in late August. I'm planning on being a doctor someday and I wanted to do EMS for experience. I've been riding as a student in my town for a few months and I love the thought of making a difference in people's lives.

Anyway, that's enough of that. I just wanted to say hey and get my name out there.
 
Welcome to the forums and best of luck with your test.

I wanted to do EMS for experience

For someone who wants to be a doctor, you would be far better off working in a hospital setting (even if it is as an orderly or unit clerk) or even simply shadowing a physician. I have several friends who sit on admissions committees at various medical schools and most of the have said that they give no weight to EMS experience or it's a "that's nice, now what did you do to learn about what it's like to actually work as a physician?" sort of response.

The reasoning is that EMS is a very different creature from even in-hospital emergency medicine and what you will see in a couple of years of running part time (assuming this since you're a student) is not going to really put you at much of a practical advantage once you get to your clinicals, especially if you just run at the BLS level. I don't mean to burst your bubble, but in the competitive world of premeds it is wise to maximize the impact of everything you do and you should go into EMS with a fair and correct view of what you can do in EMS and what it can do for you.

If you have any specific questions, do not hesitate to ask. We have a tremendous amount of experience here in the forums and one of us is sure to know the answer to almost anything you might ask. Once again, best of luck.
 
I've heard both sides of that argument before. I think EMS can only help my plans. I'm not just getting my certification to throw it on a piece of paper and say "Oh yeah by the way, I have this, too." I think over the next 3-4 years I'll have many experiences worth mentioning during the interview from EMS. Couple that with a desire to help people, and it can only help me. Even if it doesn't help me get into med school, it definitely won't hurt any chances, and it will help me learn something you don't learn in school - empathy for patients.

And yeah I do have one question I just can't seem to get a handle on. This has to be the dumbest question but whatever. When do you want to use a NRB vs NC vs BVM. I know a cannula is only low concentrations of O2 for people who don't need much or won't tolerate a NRB. I guess my real question is when to use a NRB vs a BVM. Is a BVM for only unconscious patients or can it be used with a conscious one who desperately needs ventilation assistance? Is it as simple as if they're breathing, use a NRB, if not, use a BVM, or is a BVM used more often?

I don't know why I'm having trouble grasping that but I figured I'd rather feel stupid for 5 minutes than not know it when I'm on a call.
 
Even if it doesn't help me get into med school, it definitely won't hurt any chances, and it will help me learn something you don't learn in school - empathy for patients.

I hate to say this but if you don't already have empathy for your fellow man, being an EMT isn't going to help you much. Actually for a lot of people, it tends to make you more critical of your fellow man. I am a great example of this.

I think over the next 3-4 years I'll have many experiences worth mentioning during the interview from EMS.

Like I said, a lot of admissions officers are ambivalent at best towards that sort of thing because so many premeds use EMS for exactly that purpose. It is not something that is really going to make you stand out.

Couple that with a desire to help people, and it can only help me.

The desire to help people....please for the love of God, don't mention that as your primary or solereason for going into medicine during your interviews. It makes you sound like an immature clueless kid and can hurt your case unless you can really expand on that and make it sound less like a contrived answer. As for the EMS experience, it may have no effect at all or it might help a tiny bit but only if you can really demonstrate that you grew as a person from the experience and not simply did it because it was "cooler" than following a primary care physician around in your spare time.

When do you want to use a NRB vs NC vs BVM. I know a cannula is only low concentrations of O2 for people who don't need much or won't tolerate a NRB.

The trick is remembering two things: one is the difference between ventilation and oxygenation and is something that screws with a lot of EMS personnel. Ventilation is the movement of air in and out of the lungs while oxygenation is the movement of oxygen across the alveolar membranes in the lungs (it is a little more complicated than this, but this will suffice for what we're talking about). Now the purpose of the NRB and NC are to provide supplemental oxygen but they do not improve ventilation. The BVM is indicated where you have inadequate ventilation. The supplemental oxygen you can provide through the BVM will also help with oxygenation problems. The choice between the NC and the NRB in real life (as opposed to EMS testing) is a matter of using the smallest amount of oxygen necessary to achieve an adequate oxygenation status. If you can get by with an NC go for it. If the patient is in extremis (very critical) or obviously has serious injury or illness, you can not go wrong with providing extra oxygen. When in doubt, always err on the side of giving too much and not enough.
This is the Cliff Notes version, but I'm on my way to bed. If you want more detail, just ask and I'll post it tomorrow.

Is a BVM for only unconscious patients or can it be used with a conscious one who desperately needs ventilation assistance?
If they need to have their ventilations assisted, do it regardless of their level of consciousness. BTW, the first person I ever used a BVM on was a fully conscious trach patient. A lot of patients who have a BVM on them are breathing spontaneously but are not meeting their physiological needs because they are not moving enough air.

I don't know why I'm having trouble grasping that but I figured I'd rather feel stupid for 5 minutes than not know it when I'm on a call.

It's nothing to feel stupid about. If I can be of any help on this or anything else, feel free to PM me if you'd rather not post a question publicly. I'm cross trained as a respiratory therapist so I can provide all the detail you want on airway and oxygen questions and probably more. Good luck with your training.
 
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Hey Mike welcome aboard, I welcome any future Dr. to Ems as you never know where you'll wind up and I have worked with some docs who do not have a clue of how Ems runs so if it doesn't give you any recognizable experience for someone's agency at least if gives you a feel of the real world Ems lives in should you ever be a ER Dr.

Best of luck to you in your path.
 
Hey guys, my name is Mike, I'm 18, and I'll be testing out for EMT-B in late August. I'm planning on being a doctor someday and I wanted to do EMS for experience. I've been riding as a student in my town for a few months and I love the thought of making a difference in people's lives.

Anyway, that's enough of that. I just wanted to say hey and get my name out there.

hello, mike . this is the best EMt froum in the intenet. you will see it. that is good to become a doctor. best wishes. :):)
 
The EMS experience is a good plan! Understanding what happens in the pre-hospital setting is a great tool to have. Good luck.
 
I'm not sure which type of doc I want to be but an ER doc is my first choice right now. For now though I love riding and I can't wait till I become an EMT. The only problem is my class is 2 months long and I feel a little rushed. It's not that hard to absorb all the info but I feel like we're not going as in depth as we should be. Probably not a huge deal.
 
but I feel like we're not going as in depth as we should be.
That's because you're not going into as much depth as should be taught to practitioners. Welcome to the first of many deficient areas you will likely encounter in EMS. This is the one that provokes probably the most heated debate on here, with the possible exception of helicopter emergency services (HEMS).

Remember it is written at a 4th or 6th grade reading level (depending on the scale you want to use) and it is not exactly rocket science. We had a retarded kid who used to hang around a station I worked at who learned everything involved with being an EMT (to the point where if you asked him questions from the practice exams we used for students he knew the answers or gave him the practical skills examinations he could pass them). The only reason he could not take the class is that he was illiterate so that gives you some idea of how "dumbed down" the EMT-Basic coursework is.

Most of the people who struggle seem (based upon my experience as an instructor/preceptor and the interactions on this and other forums) tend to be a subset of the less educated and the less cerebral amongst us who happen to also be packing large egos AND a distinct lack of work ethic. About the only people I have ever seen fail when they actually made a true effort to learn the material either were simply too stupid to function effectively or because their attitude or ego got in the way. Most failures are simply the result of good ol' fashioned laziness though, often in the form of "I'm too smart to have to study" which you hear from a lot of people who are actually quite stupid.

Usually this is not the case with premeds since it tends to be a self-selecting field that attracts bright, type-A overachievers. Normally what kills premeds during EMT classes is the attitude that is so pervasive among premeds that they are perfect, infallible and generally that their :censored::censored::censored::censored: don't stink (pardon the expression). We also had a few of them who have looked down their noses at EMS professionals as "beneath them" and I had one who refused to help me clean up after a particularly messy trauma call because he felt it was not important for him to do this "as a future doctor" (he was one of the few people I ever took extreme pleasure in writing up to the administration of his training program). That does not seem to be an issue with you so, as I said, if you need anything do not hesitate to ask.
 
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I think your experience in EMS will be useful, if for nothing else then to give you insight as to what EMS is about when you become a doctor.

The few doctors who were EMTs and paramedics before that I have worked with have a higher reguard for the profession of EMS.

No experience in life is useless.
 
Here is a good way to look at it... EVERYONE gets an EMS cert before applying to med school... you better have one too... lol. My class is half pre-med students... even if it doesn't boost you up a level in the admission process it will keep you on par with the rest of the candidates.
 
Here is a good way to look at it... EVERYONE gets an EMS cert before applying to med school... you better have one too... lol. My class is half pre-med students... even if it doesn't boost you up a level in the admission process it will keep you on par with the rest of the candidates.
Ever heard of a selection bias?
 
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