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After seeing the "What do you think this is" thread, It got me interested in seeing who can get this one. Its another 12 lead, take a look.
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You would probably see this in a person, Such as myself if you were called to my house. Just want to see if anyone knows it or not.
 
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Sinus arrhythmia with WPW?

It's a pretty small picture for a 12-lead, it's difficult to discern details from it.
 
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fma08

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ya, i'm seen a bit of the same, sinus arrhythmia with WPW, and i may be seeing things, but maybe a little WAP in there too?? like stated above, kinda small pic.
 
MSDeltaFlt

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I think not WAP due to P's are too similar. SR with physiologic left axis, with poss WPW and poss RBBB; also early repolarization. This ECG falls under the category of "duely noted". Definitely not treatable, without any symptoms.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there looks to be some delta waves in there too...
 
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That's the WPW
 
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third line looks like a third degree block. This guy is definently on a atrial triggered ventricular pacer.
 
Ridryder911

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I am sure he was or hope so to.. since there is no such critter..

R/r 911
 
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oops those looked like pacer spikes for a minute last night...looked liked they connected to the base line. Rid i hope you don't mean ther in no such thing as a Atrail triggered ventricular pacer? pacer meaning pace maker.
 
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triemal04 said:
That's what concerned me. Care to explain? Or was it this kind of night?:beerchug:

Edit: What looked like pacer spikes?
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4 boxes down and 13 to the right the markings looked like pacemaker spikes last night at quick glance. i just figured that it was a crappy pic.
To your second question though yes my in-laws were in last night so it was most definitely a :beerchug:night. the ATVP sometimes are associated with these types of rhythms as far as i have seen lately living in a geriatric community. so yeah that first glance i said "oh pacemaker spikes got it" hence the second post when i went back to read again.
 
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mikeylikesit said:
oops those looked like pacer spikes for a minute last night...looked liked they connected to the base line. Rid i hope you don't mean ther in no such thing as a Atrail triggered ventricular pacer? pacer meaning pace maker.
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I do not see any pacer spikes, as well the rate does not drop for such an event to occur.
No there is no such thing as a atrial triggered ventricular pacer.. there is an (single chamber) atrial pacer and a ventricular pacer and a (dual chamber) sequential pacer, etc.. Each is set upon the intrinsic rate for the location of the pacer.

If it is a ventricular pacemaker it will be set off by the ventricular rate, not the atrial rate again unless it is a sequential pacer and again it is concerned about the ventricular rate.
Atrial pacemakers left favor in the mid 80's because of understanding that over 65-70% of atrial filling is natural and in reality atrial contraction is not needed to sustain an adequate ejection fraction.

Here is a link to an excellent pacemaker lecture I do for Medtronics.. I recommend all to review and learn. (one has to sign up but it is free to EMT's) .. plus a lot of information on AICD, etc.. Great learning ste...

https://wwwp.medtronic.com/mdtConnectPortal/

R/r 911
 
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The American Heart Journal did an article about it a while back but i can't see to find it yet. here is a link that another journal did about them their true name is the atrial synchronous ventricular pacers.
mostly used for third degree heart blocks.
http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/reprint/67/4/491.pdf
 
fma08

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where can i find the lecture rid? it leads me to... what i guess is "my homepage" on there after i have registered.
 
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mikeylikesit said:
The American Heart Journal did an article about it a while back but i can't see to find it yet. here is a link that another journal did about them their true name is the atrial synchronous ventricular pacers.
mostly used for third degree heart blocks.
http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/reprint/67/4/491.pdf
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Those are the same as commonly known as sequential or dual chamber pacemakers...

Also for the lecture use the search for "pacemaker"..

Hopefully, after you register here is the link:
https://wwwp.medtronic.com/medtroni...ea/CorePace2_FundamentalsOfCardiacDevices.ppt

R/r 911
 
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I aggree with the WPW, it's a really bad copy of a 12 lead, maybe if you could get another one up it may help
 
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mikeylikesit said:
;) got ya, but like stated earlier from a distance the markings looked like the narrow pacer spikes...whens its late.
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That's the key, bud. Like just about everybody else, I'm embarrassed to admit how many times I've fallen victim to just that.
 
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