Hamas leader killed with Succinylcholine

[Aidey]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/28/uae.murder.probe/index.html

Earlier Sunday, police said toxicology results showed that al-Mabhouh was injected with succinylcholine, a drug used to relax muscles during surgery or as an anesthetic, before he was suffocated. Signs indicated that al-Mabhouh resisted as he was being suffocated, police said.

This isn't something I know much about, but I thought that succs was undetectable, the only thing they could detect was a high potassium level.

 

[reidnez]

Good riddance.

 

[nemedic]

good riddance. methinks that whoever killed him read tom clancy's teeth of the tiger. according to the book and google, the post mortem workup shows what appears to me a massive MI. also, it breaks down to the same enzymes that are secreted during an MI. will post the links if i can find them

 

[reaper]

Thats one tough man, if he resisted after being given the Succs!

 

[firecoins]

I guess they killed him with a poor RSI attempt. wonder if the MD just had them call it.

 

[Shishkabob]

Thats one tough man, if he resisted after being given the Succs!

That's what I was wondering.. fighting the suffocation after being paralyzed.

Man, we are screwed if the rest of the terrorist are like that.

 

[Aidey]

That's what I was wondering.. fighting the suffocation after being paralyzed.

I assumed that either 1. Someone is overdramatizing/misrepresenting what happened or 2. The killers didn't use enough or most likely 3. Both 1 and 2.

 

[bstone]

Wonder why they didn't use epi? Too much epi will kill someone, but then you use epi to try to get the heart beating again.

 

[firecoins]

Wonder why they didn't use epi? Too much epi will kill someone, but then you use epi to try to get the heart beating again.

assuming Dubai has an EMS system similiar to our. Does it?

 

[akflightmedic]

assuming Dubai has an EMS system similiar to our. Does it?

We trained their paramedics and they based it on our model....

 

[akflightmedic]

Wonder why they didn't use epi? Too much epi will kill someone, but then you use epi to try to get the heart beating again.

How much epi is enough?

Seeing as how this operation took 26 operatives that we know about, do you want to try a drug that may or may not do the job, plus it will not incapacitate the man...unlike succs which will lay him out once it kicks in in relatively small amount.

He probably struggled after it was injected because there is that 20-60 seconds before full effects kick in...

 

[Shishkabob]

I still doubt it took Mossad THOSE 26+ people to do the mission, they're probably just grasping at straws as to who was involved. If anything, Mossad wanted them to think it was those 26+ to throw them off.

Mossad isn't known to be clumsy in their missions, revealing so much potential intel. Look at Operation Wrath of God.

They want people to know it was Mossad involved, but not the members as that would screw up possible future missions.



Sorry but Dubai isn't known as an counter-intel powerhouse

 

[akflightmedic]

And you have been through Dubai how many times?

26 people all with fake passports, all with ties to Israel. Yous eriously think Mossad was not involved and didn't use these people?

This wasn't some small terrorist player, this was the #2 man, so yeh I could see using 26 people, not only for past "crimes" committed against Israel, but also for the morale blow to the Palestinians and Hamas...well worth the 26 ground people in their eyes....

 

[Shishkabob]

I don't need to go to Dubai to know that they can't be compared to MI5, NSA or other prominent internal security agencies.


I never said Mossad wasn't involved... I believe they were. But for Mossad to be so messy with their operatives is not like an intelligence agency. It's one thing to let your enemies know you did something... it's another to let them know which operatives and have pictures of them.

 

[mycrofft]

Good monring what did I miss? Oh yeah...death Succs.

1. If you die from succ, you die by asphyxiation, which is ...smothering. You're conscious at least at first, but the forensic signs of mechanical suffocation (conjunctival pettichiae, bruises, pillow grade goose down in the trachea) should be absent due to paralyzation.
2. Twenty six people would not be too many what with transport, security, cutouts and backups. A simple "rub-out" on a street can be nearly a dozen.
3. I lean towards inter and intra factional rivalry. They have notoriously poor retirement plans.

 

[akflightmedic]

I don't need to go to Dubai to know that they can't be compared to MI5, NSA or other prominent internal security agencies.


I never said Mossad wasn't involved... I believe they were. But for Mossad to be so messy with their operatives is not like an intelligence agency. It's one thing to let your enemies know you did something... it's another to let them know which operatives and have pictures of them.

Maybe I am just dense...not trying to argue, just reason out so it makes sense...but I do not get the whole fixation on their pictures. They had to have passports to enter the country, so of course they have photos.

Any hotel you stay at, photocopies your passport.

I do not see messiness...there are low level and high level operatives. Exposing 26 to get a very important job done makes it seem well coordinated as opposed to messy.

Sigh, pathetic when I have nothing better to do at the moment than argue total hypotheticals of things I know nothing about.

 

[Shishkabob]

Sigh, pathetic when I have nothing better to do at the moment than argue total hypotheticals of things I know nothing about.

Ditto


Granted I've never worked for the NSA, CIA, Mossad, Shin Bet, MI5, MI6,, KGB or others, but I'd like to think they were a bit more secretive with their operatives h34r:

 

[SanDiegoEmt7]

Sorry but Dubai isn't known as an counter-intel powerhouse

Supposedly, Dubai called in the US State Department after they felt there was foul play

Here's the link for the video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8fd_1266461202

 

[FFMedic75]

keep in mind if they did use succs it was not given cleanly IV. It was at best given IM by someone who was fighting. The absorption times and rates would be very different than what we are used to seeing.

 

[mycrofft]

I'd put a coral snake in his hat.

Then they'd think Batista Cuban expatriates did it.
No matter what did it, they would blame Shin Bet/Mossad.