From The Street Series: Signs & Symptoms PULMONARY EMERGENCIES

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Need some guidance from the street. The signs & symptoms of various "chief complaint's" in the textbooks are mostly very vague, and give a lot of conflicting "could be's". Would anyone be willing to fill in the blanks to the following categories to help me, and others I'm sure, in painting a picture of knowledge of how the pt's with the following disease processes most often present out in the real world. Thanks much!

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PULMONARY EMERGENCIES:

- COPD (CHRONIC BRONCHITIS, EMPHYSEMA)
- ASTHMA
- PNEUMONIA
- ARDS
- PULMONARY THROMBOEMNBOLISM
- UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTION
- SPONTANEOUS PNEUMOTHORAX
- HYPERVENTILATION SYNDROME
- LUNG CA

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SCENE SURVEY INFORMATION

- Pt visual appearance:
- Age, gender, weight:
- What is usually scene in Pt's surroundings that might help point you in one direction or another:


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PATIENT ASSESSMENT
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1. Primary Assessment.
- GCS:
- Airway:
- Breathing:
- Circulation:
- Deficits:
- Exposure:
(c-spine considerations)

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2. Chief Complaint.
P - Provocation, prior:
A - Associated Cough, or Chest Pain:
S - Sputum Color,Severity:
T - Time, How Long:
E - Exacerbation:
( any other special questions that are good to ask to help in ruling out, and developing a management plan and why?)

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3. Vital Signs.
P - Pulse:
R - Respirations:
O - O2 Sat:
B - Blood Pressure:
E - Eyes:
E - ECG:
L - Lung Sounds:
S - Skins:
S - Sugar:
T - Temperature:
T - Twelve Lead:
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4. History
H - History: Pertinent medical Hx, Pertinent surgeries:
A - Allergies: Allergies to meds, what happens:
M - Medications: What meds does pt take? Is pt med compliant? Changes to recent prescriptions:
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5. Secondary.
- Physical Exam Findings:
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PATIENT MANAGEMENT
- Initial stabilization:
- Treatments:
- Monitoring:
- Additional Resources:
- Typical Pt response to interventions:
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TRANSPORT DECISION
- Lifting and moving Pt:
- Mode:
- Type of receiving facility:

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ANY OTHER POINTS TO CONSIDER AND/OR LOOK FOR. THANKS MUCH
 
The signs & symptoms of various "chief complaint's" in the textbooks are mostly very vague, and give a lot of conflicting "could be's".

Welcome to medicine. A lot of times the differences between diseases aren't perfectly clear cut based on the history and physical, so being able to develop a good list of differential diagnosis and picking a working diagnosis Respiratory diseases is one of those, "Take a really really good history" systems. Does the patient smoke tobacco or smoke recreational drugs? What does the patient do for a living? Has the patient traveled recently? If so, where? Include layovers. What is the patient's medical history? What medications is the patient on? Something will often pop out, but even if it does, make sure you complete the history because it could be something else.
 
PULMONARY EMERGENCIES:

- COPD (CHRONIC BRONCHITIS, EMPHYSEMA)
- ASTHMA
- PNEUMONIA
- ARDS
- PULMONARY THROMBOEMNBOLISM
- UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTION
- SPONTANEOUS PNEUMOTHORAX
- HYPERVENTILATION SYNDROME
- LUNG CA


If you understand the physiology and the pathophysiology, you will never be fooled by presentations. If you are simply trying to equate signs and symptoms I don't think you will have much success. Especially when multiple diseases are present.

It is the difference between knowing what to expect and hoping you see something you recognize.
 
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If you understand the physiology and the pathophysiology, you will never be fooled by presentations.

I would not say "never"....perhaps seldom. If you know your physiology and you learn from every patient you see, you will get to a point where you seldom are led astray by what you see.
 
I would not say "never"....perhaps seldom. If you know your physiology and you learn from every patient you see, you will get to a point where you seldom are led astray by what you see.

Fair enough, maybe "never" is a bit strong. :)
 
I would also like to add that knowing your physiology and pathophysiology like the back of your hand will also be your best guide when you are dealing with one of those cases you just can't figure out. USAFMEDIC45's Rule #26 of EMS: Sometimes the best thing to do is to simply fix the symptoms and let the hospital figure out what's causing them. Also let us not forget Corollary 26a: "Never make more work for yourself when you're already not being paid enough to manage, let alone figure this crap out."
 
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I know you are looking for some answers to help you help your patients. I do not want to be rude but just telling you some things to look for is not really helping you.
Check with the local hospital's libary and see if you can borrow a book or two on anatomy and physiology. Study the respiratory section and you will find many answers to your questions. If you get stuck trying to understand a particular concept, then ask a question. I'm sure many here will help you.
If you educate yourself you will be far ahead of many of your co-workers. You will be able to understand what your patients need even if you cannot do those things yourself.
 
Personally, I have conscripted my personal physician (who splits her time as a GP and ED Doc) for understanding. Of course, I'm lucky in that, she's nice enough that I can email her questions and she answers them thoughtfully. Most are probably too busy for that.
 
Dude, you're going about this all wrong. Don't memorize signs/symptoms and try to correlate those to some disease. Understand physiology and pathology and use that information to know what to expect from certain conditions. These books will help you.


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Dude, you're going about this all wrong. Don't memorize signs/symptoms and try to correlate those to some disease. Understand physiology and pathology and use that information to know what to expect from certain conditions. These books will help you.


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There is hope my young apprentice ;)
 
.......you will never be fooled by presentations.

...... and then cardiac wheezing pops in the picture on a scene and blows all that out of the water. After a few of those... hopefully then you will not be fooled by that one again. There will always be one out of a hundred or so that will make your gears turn faster.

:P
 
...... and then cardiac wheezing pops in the picture on a scene and blows all that out of the water. After a few of those... hopefully then you will not be fooled by that one again. There will always be one out of a hundred or so that will make your gears turn faster.

:P

I think that is covered in understanding your pathology properly in all fairness.
 
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