Enrolling in Medic School, advice?

So you don't do cranial nerve checks? So you can't differentiate a cerebral hemorrhage stroke vs. occlusion? Never heard that unequal pupils are one of the late signs of ICP but you don't check nystagmus and shift of the uvula? Never heard of checking for the "box car" effect in the retinal artery as well? .... Obvious, many have never attended a Advanced Stroke Life Support course ( yes it's designed for EMS.)

Sorry, the old 90 second assessment B.S. is just that. Old dog philosophy of thinking if one is too smart they will waste time out in the field is just well.... stupid. If one is truly educated and well clinically trained, they will know how to also perform a rapid trauma assessment and as well perform detailed assessments and focused techniques that will aid in diagnosing a patient. For example certain tail tale signs of electrolyte imbalance such as in dialysis patients can be elicited by a good assessment and yes may alter or change the focus of treatment and care.

Let's quit living in the 80's and only teach minimum standards. Even though A & P I, II is nice it should be a required course for any health major as a biology class but truthfully a more in-depth course such as gross anatomy and human physiology should be required before exiting a Paramedic program. Doubtful that we will ever see that; since it is hard to require schools to ensure the student is even literate.

Until the new curriculum or focus is brought out, we will conitnue to have the bare minimum as we see it. Even with the new scope it will still be considered weak for the demands of the profession. Let's look at it this way... is what we are doing meeting the demands of patient care? Is diagnosing and performance of skills improving? Basically, is what we are doing working? ...


R/r 911
 
Kinda feels to me Res like you're making excuses for time/space restraints in the field, and at the same time promoting pt care that is "of the highest level"

Wouldn't you agree that giving the most accurate assessment of potential problems is providing this high level of care you speak of???
 
I am not making excuses.. perhaps I am not articulating my position as well as I should. I do believe in offering the highest level of care to patients pre-hospital..... obviously, because I want my kids and family to receive this if heaven forbid they ever fall into the EMS system as a patient. I'm just trying to say that the field is a unique place and at times, approaches to care do need tailoring to the dynamics of the field environment.

Rid gave the CVA example of distinguishing between occlusion and hemorrhagic... it's not really a Paramedics job to try to distinguish nor does it really matter... I mean honestly. Treatment is going to be unaffected regardless of the etiology pre-hospital. The important part is the recognition of the CVA, appropriate treatment performed, and notification of the CVA to the receiving facility or transport to a designated Stroke center.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is great for providers to learn the cranial nerve exams and the like.. I'm all for learning all you can... I'm just trying to say that ultimately some things are crucial and some are not.

For example, Paramedic A and B are both treating CVA patients... Paramedic A does the whole cranial nerve exam while Paramedic B does not and instead bases presumptive dx off of one of the stroke assessments and other clinical findings. Both conclude their patients have CVA presentations.

How does Paramedic A's care differ from Paramedic B in the field? It doesn't. Both get treated with the same swift and appropriate treatment. Maybe I'm too much of a cause and effect kinda person.
 
I think the point RR was trying to make, and I'm not speaking for him/her...was that notifying the receiving facility of every detail that is available can influence ongoing care during the pt's hospital stay. It is our responsibility as EMS providers to give the pt the absolute best chance of survival, and giving the receiving facility all the heads up we can is a part of that.

I'm not really familiar with the lingo online just yet, so if you said that already then I apologize
-Adam
 
and for the record, survive was a poor choice of wording.
 
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