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i heard that paramedics in the usa cannot d raw medication out of a flacon with a syringe, is that correct? if yes so how do you administer the patients medication iv if needed?
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nimrodmichaeli said:
i heard that paramedics in the usa cannot d raw medication out of a flacon with a syringe, is that correct? if yes so how do you administer the patients medication iv if needed?
tnx
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Not familiar with the term flacon but we do draw medications up from vials and ampules. Some medications are pre packaged like an epi auto injector or a benzo or narcotic carpuject for a couple examples. Some services have a lot of drugs that need to be drawn up while other will have a lot of pre filled dosages like the examples I gave above. It really varies from service to service.
 
Google search makes me think a flacon is similar to a vial or ampule.

I draw meds from vials and ampules every day at work. Whoever told you that is giving you incorrect information.
 
My iphone dictionary along with Google states that a flacon is a vile with a stopper.
 
Achilles said:
My iphone dictionary along with Google states that a flacon is a vile with a stopper.
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Assuming we are talking some chemistry set type parts like a glass vial with a rubber cork in it, that wouldn't be the most sterile means of using a medication....
 
yeah i meant vials and ampules. i just heard because of possible lawsuit prevention everything which i mean all of the medications are already filled and and ready for injection, i guess that i might be incorrect
 
nimrodmichaeli said:
yeah i meant vials and ampules. i just heard because of possible lawsuit prevention everything which i mean all of the medications are already filled and and ready for injection, i guess that i might be incorrect
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Very incorrect. I only have five meds at my 911 service that are prefilled; epi 1:10, atropine, D50, Valium, and lido. Everything else I draw up and/or mix myself.
 
nimrodmichaeli said:
yeah i meant vials and ampules. i just heard because of possible lawsuit prevention everything which i mean all of the medications are already filled and and ready for injection, i guess that i might be incorrect
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We do have medications that are preloaded (makes it quicker to get on board the patient) such as: D50, Narcan, Epi, Lidcoaine 2%, and some others.

But we also have vials of medications that we draw up manually.

EDIT: we also have some Morphine that is in a preload (our area has a hard time finding it in vials. So we have it in both vial and preload form).
 
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I'm not sure but, I think he may have meant drawing from a preload? Say giving a PED dose of 1:10,000 EPI. I may be wrong.
 
RESQGUY said:
I'm not sure but, I think he may have meant drawing from a preload? Say giving a PED dose of 1:10,000 EPI. I may be wrong.
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Regardless, there is still nothing to prohibit a paramedic from drawing up a medication from various types of packaging UNLESS for some reason their specific agency won't let them.

(assuming of course that the med being drawn up is meant to be given by the route they'll be using)
 
I know it's perfectly fine. I thought that's what he was confused about. That's all.
 
Only prefills we carry are epi 1:10000, atropine, CaCl, narcan, lido, D50 and some trucks have bicarbonate prefills. Also have premixed dope and lido. Everything else is drawn from vials with the random ampule mixed in.
 
Preloaded narcs are better because of accounting.
 
nimrodmichaeli said:
i heard that paramedics in the usa cannot d raw medication out of a flacon with a syringe, is that correct? if yes so how do you administer the patients medication iv if needed?
tnx
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Paramedics can. Lower levels of EMS providers are limited to auto injectors.

You are correct though that most services that I've seen do not use an actual needle to inject medication into an IV line old school. Generally the IV lines here have ports that we can just attach the syringe to without using a needle. Needles are still used to draw the medication up.
 
bigbaldguy said:
Paramedics can. Lower levels of EMS providers are limited to auto injectors.

You are correct though that most services that I've seen do not use an actual needle to inject medication into an IV line old school. Generally the IV lines here have ports that we can just attach the syringe to without using a needle. Needles are still used to draw the medication up.
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Ten points to the first person to properly name the attachment point BBG is talking about. JP you aren't allowed to play or any of the senior members for that matter :p
 
NVRob said:
Ten points to the first person to properly name the attachment point BBG is talking about. JP you aren't allowed to play or any of the senior members for that matter :p
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A flacon flagon or if you want to be technical a syringy injecty thingy
 
bigbaldguy said:
A flacon flagon or if you want to be technical a syringy injecty thingy
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On the primary IV tubing, not the container :) I like syringy injecty thingy though.
 
NVRob said:
Ten points to the first person to properly name the attachment point BBG is talking about. JP you aren't allowed to play or any of the senior members for that matter :p
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But I want the 10 points :(
 
NVRob said:
Ten points to the first person to properly name the attachment point BBG is talking about. JP you aren't allowed to play or any of the senior members for that matter :p
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Piggyback? That's the only other thing I've heard them called other than just IV ports.
 
That connecting point? I call it a hooker upper gizmo, or hooker for short. Makes it fun to yell, "hey, pop a flush in that hooker!"
 
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