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SPACE CENTER, Houston - A couple short strips of fabric dangling from Discovery's belly may require an unprecedented repair by spacewalking astronauts, if engineers determine there's even a possibility that the problem could endanger the shuttle during descent, NASA said Sunday.

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Teams of experts were scrambling to understand just how serious the problem was, with "strong arguments" raging on what to do, if anything.

The trouble has nothing to do with foam or other launch debris, but rather the accidental slippage of ceramic-fiber cloth used to fill the thin gaps between thermal tiles, which some engineers worry could trigger potentially treacherous overheating during re-entry.

It will be Monday before the analysis is complete and mission managers decide whether to have the crew's two spacewalkers cut or pull the two hanging strips.

If NASA's spacewalking specialists come up with a relatively easy solution, "Why worry? Why would you not just go take care of it?" deputy shuttle program manager Wayne Hale said Sunday evening. "Why should I lose sleep over these gap fillers if we can take care of them that easy?"

Such a spacewalking feat would be a first: In 24 years of shuttle flight, astronauts have never ventured beneath their spacecraft in orbit and have made few repairs to their ship, certainly none of this magnitude.

Discovery and its crew of seven may be perfectly safe to fly back in a week with the drooping strips, officials stressed, as space shuttles have done many times before, although not necessarily with pieces that large.

Hale, in fact, did not think it was that big a deal when he first learned of the problem a few days ago.

"My immediate knee-jerk reaction was that we can live with this," he said. "On the other hand, this is bigger than we've seen before."

One piece is sticking out 1.1 inches between the thermal tiles, the other protrudes at an angle from six-tenths to nine-tenths of an inch. For those areas, far forward near the nose, the general wisdom and flight history indicate that the limit should be a quarter-inch, said flight director Paul Hill.

Hill noted, however, that the quarter-inch measurement was taken following previous re-entries and the intense heat could have burned some of the material off. Discovery's flaws were spotted in orbit — a first — because of all the photography and laser imaging being aimed at normally hard-to-see spots, an outcome of the 2003 Columbia disaster.

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That's what they get for launching the shuttle despite not having fixed the problem that brought down the last flight. :rolleyes:
 
So.... who thinks this will be the last flight of this generation of space shuttle.

I do.
 
Originally posted by MedicStudentJon@Aug 1 2005, 12:08 PM
So.... who thinks this will be the last flight of this generation of space shuttle.

I do.
As long as they have funding, they will not stop.
 
Hale says "why worry", "not a bid deal", "we can live with this one" and "why should I lose sleep". Easy for him to say, he's not one of the crew that is actually facing possible incineration. :angry:
 
I think the current shuttle fleet has reached the end of its useful lifespan. Remember, they started designing this fleet using 1960s technology. They knew from the start that the tile protection system was an overly complex and failure-prone design, yet it was the only one that made sense at the time.

Unfortunately, I think NASA's pumped too much money into trying to keep this fleet flying and not enough into potential replacements, so for the moment, they're stuck with what they've got or nothing at all.

FYI, I actually got to see a shuttle landing. It was STS-6, Challenger's first mission, and I was in 2nd grade at the time. I was in 5th grade when Challenger exploded. Gives you an idea of just how old these craft are.
 
Originally posted by SafetyPro@Aug 1 2005, 07:37 PM
I think the current shuttle fleet has reached the end of its useful lifespan. Remember, they started designing this fleet using 1960s technology. They knew from the start that the tile protection system was an overly complex and failure-prone design, yet it was the only one that made sense at the time.

Unfortunately, I think NASA's pumped too much money into trying to keep this fleet flying and not enough into potential replacements, so for the moment, they're stuck with what they've got or nothing at all.

FYI, I actually got to see a shuttle landing. It was STS-6, Challenger's first mission, and I was in 2nd grade at the time. I was in 5th grade when Challenger exploded. Gives you an idea of just how old these craft are.
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!

The initial studies were done in the 1960s.

The real work didn't start until the early 1970s.

Enterprise came online for testin in 1976.

Columbia the first usable OV came out in 1979.

Our current fleet is Discovery (83), Atlantis (85), and Endevour (91).

Throughout the life of the shuttle program systems have been upgraded. These planned upgrades were drafted in the 1980s. They have been successfull in modernizing certain shuttle systems.

Old technology can still work just fine.

The Shuttle program is not done yet nor should it be. The real problem is that congress refused to fund, then started and cut the programs to develop a sucessor reusable launch vehicle (starting with the elimination of the aerospace plane programs and the Shuttle-C programs). The blame lays at the feet of congress, not NASA for the lack of a modern resuable launch vehicle. The shuttle fleet should be able to function for some time to come if NASA would solve other problems within the organization and if the administrations would stop appointing the people they do. Golden did some good thins but was far from perfect. Okeefe was a been counter. I don't know anthin about the new guy. Certain internal aspects of the NASA culture need to change as well from what I've been told. It also stinks that the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel was routed recently, replacing all the outspoken veterans on safety... too much of a thorn in the side of somebody I suppose.

Side note: Both my father and grandfather were involved with the space shuttle program. My grandfather chaired NASA's external safety committee: the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel for six years and was on the panel for nearly 20. He was one of the ones whose warnings NASA ignored leadin up to the Challener disaster. I was just a tyke when we moved to Houston where my father worked Mission Control. I remember being a little kid and gettin to sit in the shuttle simulator and seeing Enterprise at the Vandenburg AFB shuttle launch site, a picture on my wall next to the signed picture of Jonh Young, the pilot of STS-1 (the first orbital space shuttle flight by OV Columbia, five months before I was born). The second launch site was cancelled after the Challenger disaster. Our family had to move because of it. I was crushed - I fell to my knees - when I watched Columbia break apart on TV.
 
From what I know the technology that is in use on the shuttles is WAY out of date. The whole system needs to be updated. But The time...the money.... oh my! :angry:
 
Originally posted by Phridae@Aug 1 2005, 10:39 PM
From what I know the technology that is in use on the shuttles is WAY out of date. The whole system needs to be updated. But The time...the money.... oh my! :angry:
NO... it needs to be replaced... New ships. New technology. New 100 million dollar toliets.

Jon
 
Hey, that's my tax dollars ya know!!! :(
 
Yeah, but what is more important? Health insurance for the working poor, or putting a man on the moon again??
 
Why do you think Bush wants us to go to Mars? Because he thinks it will take our minds off how bad we're getting screwed down here on Earth.
 
Originally posted by usafmedic45@Aug 3 2005, 03:45 AM
Why do you think Bush wants us to go to Mars? Because he thinks it will take our minds off how bad we're getting screwed down here on Earth.
Can't we just send the current administration to Mars??? Let DHS color-code the risk of alein attacks?
 
....or putting a man on the moon again??

Ya know, some peope believe that it never happened a first time!!! :o
 
Originally posted by Firechic@Aug 5 2005, 11:44 PM
....or putting a man on the moon again??

Ya know, some peope believe that it never happened a first time!!! :o
I know.... I didn't want to even GO there...

EDIT - as in... didn't want to raise that subject...
 
Originally posted by Firechic@Aug 5 2005, 10:44 PM
....or putting a man on the moon again??

Ya know, some peope believe that it never happened a first time!!! :o
I watched that on Sci-Fi. They zoomed in on shots that were obviously not original, and outlined things that could have been man made. I believe they really went there, but the people on TV were really convincing, and they also pointed out that many of the other planets visited by probes, etc, looked like the Nevada desert.
 
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