Come on teachers……teach…..

[Trayos]

But you already stated earlier in your post that you dont believe everything on the internet.But in this day and age with such ease of gaining information you want stats to back everything up?

Seems like a reasonable request, easy information is always second-rate to factual information in the same topic.

 

[DrParasite]

so you don't believe everything someone writes or post on the internet? good for you, unless they have a stat to back it up? what is preventing you from doing a little research on a subject?

pretty much. and when people state facts, then yes, having a source is pretty important. ask anyone in academia. or any published writer. why do you think there are footnotes and references at the end of many articles? and to answer your question, I can do research, on my own. and I have.

I can understand that to some point, but really why would someone want to make a website and wastet ime and money?

why do people do a lot of things? there was a website, htmlcomics.com, which made another website, librarylaw.com, which explained what htmlcomics was doing was not illegal. both have since been shut down. why do people make websites? because they can, or to make money from people who frequent their sites.

Okay so what would you support? This entire statement contradicts itself. the fact that you would even make a statement saying 12 rather then 6 shows that IMO that you would support hurting a pt/ attacker. And really do you know enough about how certain disease processes can present with a manic type pt?

You are absolutely right. I would support hurting an attacker in order to keep myself safe and alive. and I would support doing what was necessary to ensure I go home at the end of my shift. I am not supporting the offensive attacks on people, nor am I advocating getting your aggressions out an EDP. but if you are threatened with deadly force, and you have no other options, then yes, do what you need to do to make sure you go home at the end of the shift.

I would say most EMT's (read basics)have a HS education. with very little real life experience.

sure. I have a HS education. probably everyone on here who is an EMT has one too. I also have a college education. one of my EMT coworkers, she has her graduate student (Masters) education. hell, I think I work with a medic who has her doctorate in anthropology or some weird area. So it goes back to what I was saying, painting with a broad brush means you generalize, and your generalizations are often wrong.

But you already stated earlier in your post that you dont believe everything on the internet.But in this day and age with such ease of gaining information you want stats to back everything up?

Do you have any formal education? ever taken college courses on research? ever had to do research? if so, then you know how to gauge a source. if it's a reputable source, that's one thing. but far too many websites are biased, usually in a way to make money for the owner. that needs to be factored in when evaluating a source. and just because I don't believe everything, doesn't mean I don't believe anything on the internet.

 

[got_shoes]

pretty much. and when people state facts, then yes, having a source is pretty important. ask anyone in academia. or any published writer. why do you think there are footnotes and references at the end of many articles? and to answer your question, I can do research, on my own. and I have.

I am aware why there are footnotes and references, but in reality this is an internet forum, not academia.

why do people do a lot of things? there was a website, htmlcomics.com, which made another website, librarylaw.com, which explained what htmlcomics was doing was not illegal. both have since been shut down. why do people make websites? because they can, or to make money from people who frequent their sites.
okay, I can't even attempt to debate this one

You are absolutely right. I would support hurting an attacker in order to keep myself safe and alive. and I would support doing what was necessary to ensure I go home at the end of my shift. I am not supporting the offensive attacks on people, nor am I advocating getting your aggressions out an EDP. but if you are threatened with deadly force, and you have no other options, then yes, do what you need to do to make sure you go home at the end of the shift.

Okay I can agree to this on some level, but it didn't really answer my question, do you know of any disease process that shows a manic side in an otherwise normal person, disregard EDP's.

sure. I have a HS education. probably everyone on here who is an EMT has one too. I also have a college education. one of my EMT coworkers, she has her graduate student (Masters) education. hell, I think I work with a medic who has her doctorate in anthropology or some weird area. So it goes back to what I was saying, painting with a broad brush means you generalize, and your generalizations are often wrong.

COLOR="red"]Okay, I would say that more often then not generalizations are human nature, do you generalize when you get called to the bad part of your town/city?If you don't want to answer this I understand, this for most EMS providers is difficult to answer in a public forum. [/COLOR]

Do you have any formal education? ever taken college courses on research? ever had to do research? if so, then you know how to gauge a source. if it's a reputable source, that's one thing. but far too many websites are biased, usually in a way to make money for the owner. that needs to be factored in when evaluating a source. and just because I don't believe everything, doesn't mean I don't believe anything on the internet.

I do not have formal education at least with a degree, I have education through life experience, e.g. would be USMC and the ability to read beyond a 4th grade level, (not that you can't) from what I can see with a lot of websites most are biased and really only in it for showing how they are right and others are wrong. on top of that I would like to point out that just because there has been research done doesn't mean that information is unbiased.

Further more I would like to say, I am happy to see that this hasn't all come off in the wrong tone. I can see your point, just trying to add a little something for others to think about.

 

[DT4EMS]

This thread is doing several things.............

It is helping teachers............teach. The way it is doing it is by covering several really important points.

#1- Not everything you read in a forum is gospel.
#2- Different people are "smart" in different ways. I have always loved EMTLife because of many of the people here. Very intelligent and usually very willing to help.
#3- When people read this WHOLE thread they will see several tips......like..... it's OK to disagree....... just make sure you can back up whatever you are typing and disagree like adults.
#4- Do your homework.
#5- People believe what they read.....so be careful what you put out there. Even certain jokes in the middle of a serious subject (without mentioning it is a joke) can confuse people new to EMS.

Even if you haven't thought about it before.......there are 16-17 y/o kids out there wanting to get into EMS and they run across this site. They read a thread and are being TAUGHT by every word they read. What are we teaching them? So again.......... I still implore you teachers.........teach.

I don't and have never claimed to be all knowing in every aspect of EMS. I was lucky and was blessed to have amazing people around me to show me what to do. Nothing I teach is all that original......... it is really a compilation of knowledge and skills taught to me by those that blazed trails while I was still in diapers.

But......now that I have 20 years in EMS.......the trick is to pass on what I can to those who want it, so we can......... "improve the breed".