Building Security

one2bezoned

Forum Ride Along
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
Points
0
I was wondering what other agencies used for building security. ID badges, Key codes, etc. Currently (though hopefully changing) my crew has zero building security as in the building is never locked and the public can walk into the crew hall without being questioned or ever needed a reason or any permission. I've been trying to find out if there are any laws forcing some sort of building security but have not been able to find any to this point.
 
I was wondering what other agencies used for building security. ID badges, Key codes, etc. Currently (though hopefully changing) my crew has zero building security as in the building is never locked and the public can walk into the crew hall without being questioned or ever needed a reason or any permission. I've been trying to find out if there are any laws forcing some sort of building security but have not been able to find any to this point.

Those doors that have a keypad for entry, with a buzzer/camera for guests wanting to enter. Other than that, no internal security. Oh, you have to get buzzed in to enter the dispatch room though.
 
That depends upon a lot of factors.

1) Where are you located (urban, suburban, rural, BFE), and what state?
2) Are you an ALS or BLS agency?
3) What type of service are you (private, Fire, public safety)?
4) Do you have any controlled substances like narcotics in your building?


Two places to start your research for this would be the HIPAA law and the DEA regulations for controlling access to certain drugs.
 
1) Suburban, A Main Station and currently 1 Substation (though building another soon) . We are located in Virginia we average about 350 calls a month from our main station.
2) All Units (7 Medics and 3 ALS Chasers/First Response Vech) are ALS
3) Vol Rescue Squad
4) We have two drug boxes on every truck, a BLS (Stat Box) and an ALS Drug Kit with several Narcotics.
 
At the vollie squad, we've got access cards, and all but the front door are locked 24x7. The front door is open during the day, but you can't access the members area or the bay without a card.

We also each have a keypad code to gain access to the engine bay, in the event we are in the area and need to cover a call, but don't have our keycard. You must have a card to access the member's area or the gym.

Our bay doors all have timers on them, that can be disabled if we want to leave them open. This set-up lets us go out to a call and not close the door - it will close automatically after a few minute.


At the full-time job, all doors are locked and we've got access cards.
 
Then there are requirements for securing the drugs, and to keep PHI secured. Sorry I don't have the exact code cites for you, but
google.gif
is your friend.
 
Okay, I'm going to look up what my states regulations are for this. I personally would love to see us go to a card access system, the crew has plenty of money... just divided between the new and old school members.
 
me personally, i like money to be spent on other much more tangible things. better equipment, more training etc.

put a keypad(mechanical) on the exterior door. change the code every month. simple, relatively inexpensive and if done right, secure.

with high tech security(key cards, biometric etc) comes expense. the initial expense to set it up, which usually includes computer equipment, and lots of billable hours with an electrician/alarm tech and the ongoing expense of maintenance.

the most high security service i ever worked for had a total of four door to the building. two people and two roll ups. both people doors were high security steel entry doors. one of the people doors didnt open from the outside. pretty much only existed as a emergency exit. the other had a mechanical keypad on it. the theory was that it was supposed to be changed every month but the house supervisor had long since lost the key so they had to hire a smith to come out and change it. so they only changed it when they fired somebody they felt would come back and make trouble. the two roll up were steel and might be able to be opened from the outside if you had all night and a full set of hydraulic tools.

when the drugs werent on the truck, under triple lock, they were in the als supply room, under triple lock. triple lock here consisting of the small lock on the narc box, which was in the locked drug box which was in either the locked cabinet in the rig or the locked closet in the base.


another company didnt take security too seriously. the only entry door didnt actually lock. it did have a camera pointed at it and that camera did actually work about 65% of the time. the narcs there were kept in a lock box right next to the 24hr dispatcher, so it would have been tough to make away with the drugs unless force was involved and i wouldnt want to add assault and battery to the existing list of charges to steal 20mg of MSO4, 15mg of valium, 15mg of ativan, and i cant remember how much versed.
 
Well honestly money isn't an issue IMO. We have a Brand new main station, brand new substation, and building another. 6 New ALS Trucks (1 really old one), 3 Crash Trucks, 3 ALS Chase, plus some nice brand new toys likes the Autopulse newer Zolls etc. Plus last public business meeting we had nearly 750k dollars in the bank. But I do agree with you I rather see better equipment and better training then a high tech system but when we can go out and nearly buy a several new trucks without a problem I don't see the issue in being able to afford a higher end security system.

It's just getting our captain to listen to reason.
 
we have the sensor keypad locks at both of our facilities on ALL outside doors, and some internal doors that have important stuff contained therein and to the lounge area. but yeah, i definitely wouldnt like the idea of John Q. just popping in when he felt like it.
 
Safety........

I agree, with all of the strange people out there personal safety is a big plus, including being at quarters.
 
For here.. we have the main door locked 24/7. If you have a key you can get in, if not you have to ring a door bell (for those lovely walk-in's...) and wait for a crew to answer the door, if anyone is there. Than to gain access to the bay doors from the outside you need to put a key into a key hole and turn, then they open up. Simple, but effective.
 
All ambulance bays and ground level people doors are kept closed and locked 24x7, except when a crew is actively using the door (hauling supplies in through people door, washing a rig and going back and forth through a bay door. There is one door with a keypad for members to gain access, each member has a code and it can be disabled at any time. Supplies are kept in a locked closet or room with locked cabinets. We do host AA and NA meetings in the building but they haven't wandered out of the designated public areas so far.
 
So basically from what I hear everyone so far has some sort of security system (low or high end) protecting the crew and equipment which is what I personally agree with and hoping I can get my crew in that direction
 
When I first started working at my private EMS service we had a keypad on the ambulance bay. Our ALS rigs were stored inside with their keys on a simple key rack. If the garage door was open, you could easily walk in and take a rig.

A few years later they put in a high tech camera system in place, secured the keys, and started taking drug boxes out of the units at the end of a shift and locking them in a cage area.
 
Back
Top