Aremt-p reg in australia??

[MrBrown]

Degree Paramedics (ILS) in Australia are (much like here) exposed to over 2,000 hours of clinical placement in both hospital and ambulance.

Clinical Instructors and Mentors are generally highly experienced road Officers who may or may not be Degree qualified.

Oh and FYI "professional body" means Statutory body such as the HPC in the UK or ACOP in Alberta. Brown doubts AREMT fits into the same calibre.

 

[robbiemol]

Well if AREMT does not fit into the same caliber as you say!! why is it accepted by the HCP in the UK through the international route for reg as a state reg'd paramedic!! Each case is done individually but it is accepted. does that mean that the HPC have lowered their standerds because some one is registered with AREMT!! why when i contacted the college of paras in canada did they say that AREMT would be accepted!! here found this off an other medic website, Happy reading.

I have been asked many times over the last couple of months “How do I tell a genuine course from a bull:censored::censored::censored::censored: one?” or “How do I tell real accreditations & approvals from dodgy diploma mills?”

Well, this can be a thorny problem..

There area few that are quite obviously legitimate - IHCD, Edexcel, City & Guilds, Royal College of Surgeons Edinburgh / England, British Association for Immediate Care and Basics Scotland, American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons, College of Emergency Medicine, American College of Emergency Physicians, Wilderness Medical Society, American Academy of Pediatrics, National Association of EMTs, Australasian Registry of EMTs, Emergency Care and Safety Institute, American Safety and Health Institute, Health & Safety Executive, American Heart Association, British Heart Foundation, Resuscitation Council UK, European Resuscitation Council, University Certificate/Diploma/Degree. This isn’t a complete list but you get the idea.

However having these logos on a website or promotional material doesn’t make it legitimate. A short time ago a UK training provider was offering an “EMT Advanced” course which consisted of Pre-Hospital Trauma Life Support and Advanced Medical Life Support run over two weekends with First Aid at Work as the entry requirement. This training provider was not approved or accredited to run either course. In addition to this PHTLS + AMLS does not an EMT-A make.. We have also seen news stories and articles about Diploma Mills and illegitimate Universities so this just muddies the water even further.

There are also a few that are quite obviously dodgy. Terms such as “ Course Certificate”, “you can use the letters Dip.*** after your name” and “NAME OF TRAINING PROVIDER Certificate” should give you some kind of warning.

There are also quite a few less obvious ones. The University of Berkley/The University of Berkley Online, Almeda University, St. Regis University, Belford High School, Cranston University, Templeton University, Trident University of Technology, Vancouver University Worldwide, Westmore University and Lee Community College are just a few of the recent headline names for diploma mills that have been exposed and closed. Those who are purchasing these bits of worthless paper are also getting exposed:

“In July 2009 the Registered Counselor and Chemical Dependency Professional Programs indefinitely suspended the credentials of David Charles Larsen (RC.RC.00021390, CDP.CP.00000530). Larsen purchased a Doctor of Psychology degree from St. Regis University, an online "diploma mill". He misrepresented his education and training on a resume he submitted for a counseling position.” From the Washington State Department of Health.

As with all things, if it looks too good or gives you even a second of doubt check it out. It is not difficult to email or call local and national bodies responsible for schools, colleges, and universities. Many have external awarding, approving, or accrediting bodies listed in their site which can be a smoke screen but also acts to help weed out the trash.

What about International Courses and Training Providers?

Many international / foreign awards and qualifications are accepted in the UK and beyond so shouldn’t be rejected out of hand. In the UK if it is accepted by the HPC or recognised by UK NARIC you can be pretty sure that it is legitimate. If it isn’t listed as accepted/recognised then it doesn’t mean that it isn’t, just that it hasn’t been checked yet.

For example AREMT & Aussie Diplomas, these have been looked at with suspicion or talked down in the recent months but without good cause. AREMT Registration as a Paramedic is accepted by the HPC as suitable for registration application via the international route.

Training from Australasia, the US, Canada, and many other countries is accepted by the HPC for Paramedic application, however, each case is dealt with individually and they look at training, competencies, experience, and clinical, health, and character references of each applicant before making a decision. If you are in any doubt check it out.


So who is legitimate?

I am not daft as to get into a list of naughty and nice and to leave myself open to legal action. However, I can tell you about those I know and those who are listed as legitimate by the genuine awarding, accrediting, and approving bodies. I will include training providers outside of the UK as I have had enquiries looking for courses all over the world. Again this is far from a complete list.

The NHS - A bit obvious I know

The Military - even squadies get training..

Team Sasha - England

Response Training Consultants - England

International SOS MEA - Dubai UAE

Prometheus Medical - England

Deployment Medicine International - England, US, & Germany

ex+med Uk Ltd - England

Basics - Scotland & England

PPA International - Denmark

Glenmore Lodge - Scotland

ASHI Korea - South Korea

ICBME - Dubai UAE

Medic One Medical Response Center - Indonesia

AREMT (M) SDN BHD - Malaysia

Institute of Emergency Specialist - Singapore

SMEDEX - Swiss Medical Excellence GmbH i.G. - Switzerland

Global Medical Rescue Services - Belize

Paramedic SA - South Africa

The Emergency Medicine Institute - Saudi Arabia

Clinical Skills Centre (PGEC) Nottingham City Hospital - England

Capita Health Solutions - Scotland

TÜV Rheinland Akademie - Germany

But this training provider has / claims no approvals or accreditations..

In general I would advise that you avoid suggest training providers but there are a few which, although having no logos to add to their paperwork are excellent trainers offering fantastic courses - Kev The Med for example. The only way to know with such courses is to ask around and get recommendations from ex-students that you know or know what they are talking about.

I don’t want to be a Paramedic, just gain more medical skills & knowledge..

For those not wanting to go as far as becoming a Paramedic there are lower level courses, First Responder, EMT- B and EMT-I for example, offered in the same countries by the same training providers. There are also specialist courses such as Tactical Medic, Wilderness Medic, Diver Medic, etc which also carry legitimate awards, approvals, and accreditations and may be more appropriate for particular tasks or working environments.

So which training provider should I use?

I am not going to tell anyone which training provider to use as there are too many variables to consider - cost, location, length of training, type of course, all classroom v part distance learning, with/without driving, remote medic / UK ambulance work, and many more.

The best advice that I can give is to research as many options as you can. Check out the awards, accreditations and approvals with the bodies involved, and then check out the bodies if you are not sure. Get advice and further information via forums and other online resources including Companies House if you want to go that far.


This is from a uk paramedic. seems the UK think that AREMT are a legitimate body.

 

[fortsmithman]

when i contacted the college of paras in canada did they say that AREMT would be accepted!!

What province did you contact as each individual province is responsible for their own registration.

 

[robbiemol]

alberta and ontario.

 

[fortsmithman]

My understanding from ACoP in order to practice at emergency medical responder, emergency medical technician, or emergency medical technologist-paramedic you would still have to take the written and practical exam to get registered. Also your EMS program would have to be accepted by ACoP. Any other members here from Alberta and ACoP registered may be able to explain it more.

 

[robbiemol]

no you are right my training would be looked at and checked for the course content, clinical hrs, skills practiced etc etc... and exams have to be completed but what my point is, bn on the register would give me a better chance when i apply that is my point, I have no problem doing exams and skills tests when applying for a job.

when i say accepted AREMT, they recognize the body, i am not saying these people are offering me jobs just because i am on a register as you well know it takes a hell of a lot more to get a job as a medic then just been on a register, it just gives you a helping hand when applying for these kind of things just like NREMT will give you a helping hand in trying for your reg in Ireland or the UK.

just to reply to mr brown about the 2000 hrs of clinicals for the students, how many of them hrs are as 3rd man where you are just watching? what way is college ran, how many days are the student in college and then on the road plus what are there skill set when they finish college as i see you have ils after the degree part?

 

[Kthanid]

Well if AREMT does not fit into the same caliber as you say!! why is it accepted by the HCP in the UK through the international route for reg as a state reg'd paramedic!! Each case is done individually but it is accepted. does that mean that the HPC have lowered their standerds because some one is registered with AREMT!!

'Accepted as a route' in this case usually means some credit is granted for a reciprocal study application.

Its not remotely close enough to get you working in the UK by itself. Serious training or UNI time must follow.

The list of courses accepted standalone by the HPC are here.

http://www.hpc-uk.org/education/programmes/

The AREMT is not one of them and ,can't even get you working in Australia.

Its basically what the aussies call a registered training provider, invented by a nice guy in 1994 who would like to see a national system(as we all would), but does not have anywhere near the clout to align all the states, who govern paramedics themselves.

He runs some good courses, calling himself the 'Aussie registry'. Which there is nothing wrong with as he says, but by the same token these courses are still not good enough to ensure paramedic employment in any state.
Though they will provide some credit to the higher level courses needed for employment in Aus and the Uk.

 

[Kthanid]

And furthermore regards any credit I was referring to the EMT-P course the AREMT runs. Not the act of 'AREMT registration' itself.

That 'registration' is just membership with a non-government org. It can't authorise practice or licensure in its own country and so its very unlikely to have much weight in the HPC eyes.

 

[IrlEMTP]

Just a note

Just to add my two cents here. I am an Irish man myself and trained and worked for an EMT for 4 years and progressed to Paramedic and registered with the AREMT. The benefits that I have seen from being registered with them have been very positive for the international working environment. As they are the only INTERNATIONAL registry body, if it is that you wish to work abroad, they are the organization to register with.

I have been working for the past year with an international medical company working in Africa and the US.

I really object to people making comments about things they dont know about. Do your research and ask the appropriate people who have been through the courses and currently work with an AREMT reg. I don't know any of my AREMT colleagues who are not happy with their registration.

 

[aremt2010]

Hi again all....please email us for any updates...as there are many new acceptances,particularly in UAE/KSA etc....as we do NOT post all information....noted,we appreciate any positive comments from those who DO KNOW where AREMT stands globally.....keep up the good work....remember gents PROFESSIONALS dont use these places IF we are all working for the same EMS goals.....we also have new training wing ....South East Asia Pre-Hospital Emergency Care College..SEAPHECC
Regards
Ron GUI RMP (ISRMP)
Director

 

[AUSEMT]

so i just realized a few things:

1. not a single Australian on the forum has backed AREMT as a solid organisation so far... but that's completely besides the point.
To be perfectly honest, judging any organisation, standard or body by the actions of one person, or by ones personal experience is completely ridiculous. it's all just anecdotal evidence, and frankly, there's enough of that in EMS already, we dont need anymore.

rather lets take a look shall we?

as far as can tell, AREMT provides a legitimate source of 'clout' we'll call it to anyone looking for an overseas job in/with an INTERNATIONAL location/ company. this means, wilderness med, remote med, mines, oil rigs, cruises, ships and expeditions. if you are going to go anywhere, the clearly have the most contacts and will impress international employers.

in saying that, having spoken to quite a few senior managers within NSW and QLD, the AREMT is regarded with disdain by the state services and a certificate or registration will give you nothing in terms of getting employed with a state service.
with a private company? yeh, probably will help.

but the thing that grinds my gears is that there IS a difference between Paramedics Australasia and AREMT. and that difference is threefold.

1. PA is a professional body, run by and for the paramedics who work for the State ambulance services, AREMT is run by one man, who has done a huge amount of work, but its a completely different field that hes in.

2. PA is an Australian group looking for an Aussie solution to the problem of a college - a royal college is the only way that paramedics will eventually be registered and that is going to be achieved through PA, not the AREMT.

3. this is the final and most important one to me; AREMT is a FOR_PROFIT organisation. it is run by one guy, who owns, directs and controls the organisation.

It Is a Business!!!!!

for gods sake, no serious national or international registry, college or licensing authority is a business, PA for e.g. is run by an elected board in each state who elect a national board of directors who change every 2? years and are acknowledged as the foremost professionals, most with Masters and PhD's in their field in the profession. PA is in negotiations with health departments!
AREMT is great, they do really good stuff and they get offshore work for a lot of people, but they're NOT a registry - by that definition of the word.


yup, ok rant over, im done.
cheers yall

 

[the_negro_puppy]

I have never even heard of AREMT. Ever.