Another cop stops a speeding car on the way to the ER with a dying patient thread

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Linuss said:
I guess you don't have to pass 5th grade English composition to be a Paramedic in LA.




See? It works BOTH ways.
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Comment on the topic, not the member. Ok?
 
FLEMTP said:
Fleeing from a LEO is a felony. He conducted a felony stop. He was well within his right, as he had NO idea why the vehicle was speeding and refused to stop. For all he knew.. it could have been a carjacking situation with a hostage.

He was also lenient with the driver by cutting him loose. I dont know about the traffic code in texas, but in some states 20 over and higher is a misdemeanor, which makes it an arrestable offense. He also wrote him for disobey of a police officer vs fleeing and eluding which is a felony, So the old man was VERY lucky to not take a trip to jail, and have to deal with his car being impounded and towed.

Long story short, there are EMT's and Paramedics for a reason. Next time call them instead of playing hero and risking the safety of the general public.
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Yeah, it seems there is more info in the video, which I couldnt view.

Just wondering why they paid to have the guys windshield replaced, did they believe the officer acted out or was it public outcry?

And was the officer fired, I couldnt find that information?
 
Wasn't he cleared in the investigation though? That kind of implies that he wasn't going to be fired.
 
Aidey said:
Wasn't he cleared in the investigation though? That kind of implies that he wasn't going to be fired.
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The investigation obviously did not clear him of wrongdoing.

We'll find out of his liability with the civil trial (assuming it doesn't get settled).
 
It's okay for someone to break the law and endanger the lives of others in their perception of an emergency?
 
atropine said:
What d*$k cop, I guess they don't teach you how to turn off your siren in the acdemy, the very least he should have gave a warning and tell them to slow it down, or the ambulance alternative, I guess you don't have to hit the tredmill to be a cop for this PD as well.:rolleyes:
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haha dont get me started on firefighters and their fitness ( or lack thereof)

and what a d*$k firefighter/medic... judging a cop without knowing why they leave their siren on. There is a very good reason why they do that...kinda like there is a very good reason you see firefighters laying all over the ground with their gear off and drinking icewater while a house burns down. Dont judge unless you do the job. Like I said in a previous post..the driver is lucky he isnt sitting in a jailcell..
 
adamjh3 said:
It's okay for someone to break the law and endanger the lives of others in their perception of an emergency?
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Good question. I was thinking the same! Why would a cop break the law and endanger a person's life based on his perception of a traffic violation being an emergency. It's mindboggling.
 
The officer did everything right, he should not have resigned. He called an ambulance for the people involved. As for using his sidearm the stop was a high risk stop, if I was in his shoes I and most of us would have done the same as the officer did not know it was a medical emergency.
 
bstone said:
Good question. I was thinking the same! Why would a cop break the law and endanger a person's life based on his perception of a traffic violation being an emergency. It's mindboggling.
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Your Cambridge is showing....LOL:P Maybe he acted "stupidly"....B)
 
FLEMTP said:
haha dont get me started on firefighters and their fitness ( or lack thereof)

and what a d*$k firefighter/medic... judging a cop without knowing why they leave their siren on. There is a very good reason why they do that...kinda like there is a very good reason you see firefighters laying all over the ground with their gear off and drinking icewater while a house burns down. Dont judge unless you do the job. Like I said in a previous post..the driver is lucky he isnt sitting in a jailcell..
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I see no reason why a siren should be left on while trying to converse with a suspect, and yeah their job is not that hard we get LAPD in our stations all the time writing reports and I got to tell ya it's way easirer than runing twenty plus calls shift.
 
I'm sorry.

I thought sirens were to warn people of an emergency, and here I am with my silly thought that a felony stop with guns drawn is an emergency.
 
Linuss said:
I'm sorry.

I thought sirens were to warn people of an emergency, and here I am with my silly thought that a felony stop with guns drawn is an emergency.
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Has anyone here ever run into a situation where the officers leave their siren on after they are out of the vehicle?
 
Aidey said:
Has anyone here ever run into a situation where the officers leave their siren on after they are out of the vehicle?
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No not really, LAPD is good about attention to detail so that rarley happens.
 
The cop followed the book.
How many of you second guessers are LEOs?
Know the dangers LEOs face?

Tool bags. :glare:
 
bstone said:
Good question. I was thinking the same! Why would a cop break the law and endanger a person's life based on his perception of a traffic violation being an emergency. It's mindboggling.
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What laws did the police officer break? He initiated a traffic stop based on the circumstances, then called an ambulance for the person who "needed" to get to the hospital who then refused care. What else would you like him to do? If he didn't do his job, people with your mindset would still complain.

Actually, let's take it this way. Say the occupants of this vehicle crash on the way to the hospital and kill someone. A little girl crossing the street, how about that. We later find out that a police officer didn't pull them over after seeing excessive speed. Then the occupants of the vehicle are stupid for not seeking appropriate care, and the officer is a lazy pig for not doing his job.

So many of us who would never second guess an EMS professional without being on scene with all the facts are so quick to jump all over Law Enforcement Officers in the same situation. This saddens me.
 
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Aidey said:
Has anyone here ever run into a situation where the officers leave their siren on after they are out of the vehicle?
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Quite often on felony stops where a chase has ensued it is QUITE COMMON to get out of your car with the siren still going. there are MANY MANY REASONS!

You just chased after a fleeing suspect (who now is a felony suspect) You have NO idea why they ran, if they are armed, or what their intent is. While chasing them, they suddenly bail. Leaving your siren on accomplishes many things.

1. alerts incoming backup exactly where you are. Sometimes in a chase situation things change so rapidly that responding units may only know a general area you are in. Leaving your lights AND your siren on gives them a visual and auditory clue as to your exact location

2. Loud decibel sirens can confuse and disorientate your suspect, allowing you the upper hand in apprehension.

3. Things change so fast in a chase situation, the 2 seconds it takes to locate and disable your siren could be the 2 seconds the suspect takes to exit the vehicle and begin shooting at you, and possibly kill you.

Now, it is SAD that I have to EXPLAIN this to people on an EMS board.. with other fellow first responders...

No.. I take that back.. its not only sad.. its sheer ignorance.

Atropine, if you think that the job of a LEO is so easy, go try being one. I'd be willing to bet you wouldnt make it out of the academy, let alone your FTO time.

Unlike being a firefighter, you have to actually use your brain, and think on your feet. Its also a job that will get you killed just because of the uniform you wear.. and sometimes ONLY because of the uniform you wear. People hate you for who you are.

I bet that's something a firefighter has never experienced...and I hope they never have to.

atropine said:
No not really, LAPD is good about attention to detail so that rarley happens.
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The LAPD also tends to work 2 man cars many times, and they have a second person who can tend to things such as killing a siren. I'd also bet money they have park-kill modules installed on their sirens too.

I just love it when people see fit to judge other people's performance on the job when they've never done the job themselves. You figure EMS would be the most understanding of it, I guess that's what I get for figuring...shame on me that some of you might actually GET IT.
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And that's enough LEO bashing in this one.
 
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