21YOM - Back pain

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You respond at 02:30am on the eve of the non-denominational annual winter festival of celebration and general contentment, to a 21 year old bloke with back pain.

O/A: at a camp site on a warm night (its summer here remember), you find a young bloke lying on the ground in a sleeping bag surrounded by concerned looking attractive blonds wearing not much.

His name is Jack and he tells you with a bit of a slur that he was drinking the evening away (about 9 beers in all) when he suddenly felt a nasty pain in his back and felt unable to move properly without causing further pain (nil trauma). He waddled back to his sleeping bag to lay down where he was found an hour later by one of the beauties who called an ambulance to "cover herself" (evidently the irony of saying that while dressed in the smaller half of a handkerchief was lost on her, as was my giggling).

O/E: BP 115/70, Pulse 98, RR 20, GCS 15, Temp 36.8

6/10 pain, central lumbar region, with pain shooting down both legs when he tries to move too much.

Both legs have normal colour, movement, temperature, sensation and distal pulses.

Nils meds or allergies.

Has a hx of two episodes of back pain like this, seen in hospital once. Does not recall them telling him what it was but says they did a lot of tests, none of the medications they gave him helped and it went away after a few hours of rest (a day of bed rest on the first occasion).

You have the basics, further info on request. Shoot.

All are welcome, even if its just, "protocol tells me...", oddly enough I'm actually quite interested in what the EMT-Bs among you are supposed to do with this case. ALS/BLS upgrade/downgrade, trauma centre/local/GP/home and all that.
 
Did he specify if the pain was down the front or back of the legs? First thought is Sciatica, in which case transport BLS, O2 NC for pain (silly med nec.), to whatever hospital he chooses.

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Yeah, it sounds like some sort of pinched/compressed nerve issue (maybe from an old injury).
I'd just transport to the nearest ER in a position of comfort.
 
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Screw the guy with the back pain, are we sure the blondes don't have an urgent medical condition? :D

Seriously, as a medic, pain control and transport for non-traumatic back pain. Back when I was a basic it would have been the same, minus the pain control. It's unfortunate, but I fear systems that tier ambulances in the US simply wouldn't send a medic unit for pain control, no matter how barbaric it may be. One of the many failings here.
 
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Are you all sure there is nothing else you'd ask or do? What if there is something nasty brewing deep down in my highly medicated but still slightly unstable mind?

On the other side of the coin, why do you want to transport...and to what kind of hospital?

Screw the guy with the back pain, are we sure the blondes don't have an urgent medical condition

Well, their bloke was clearly out of action for the rest of the night. I see no reason why a handsome young paramedic couldn't or shouldn't offer his services in the boneration+/-everlasting love department.
 
Did he specify if the pain was down the front or back of the legs? First thought is Sciatica, in which case transport BLS, O2 NC for pain (silly med nec.), to whatever hospital he chooses.

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No he didn't and I didn't ask. Why do you ask?
 
Is the pain midline, or off to the sides of the spinal column?

At this point, I have to agree with everyone else - transport and pain meds, if available.
 
This being EMTLIFE and all I'd be looking for a problem with the descending aorta or a spinal aneurysm.

If this were House MD, I'd be saying "paraneoplastic syndrome".

If it were STNG, I'd be saying "subspace containment field of the temporal rift Q continuum".

Being the sod I am, I'd palpate along the spine (any spot-tenderness or palpable protuberances or depressions or masses?), have him raise each leg without pointing his toes (keep foot-ankle at 90 deg angle) and ask about pain, test for differential weakness to resisted raising (straight knee) and pushing (straightening a bent knee), in the ambulance; not much I'm going to be able to do onsite and the guy's in hurting status. PLUS, as I always say, the belly (well, torso) is a dark and terrible place, and we forget that the back is just the other side of the torso. Observe voluntary position of greatest comfort. (Bet it is knees up). On-scene: ask if anyone else is sick. Oh, and safely percuss by the kidneys.
History: ask about BM's, urination, recent activities, prior occasions of similar discomfort.
Continue VS while transporting. If I was working ALS or has a nurse, draw bloods for labs, get urine if possible and dip with 10 panel stick (especially looking for blood, and if it is haemolyzed, non-haemolzed, or both; if it sits, it will all be haemolyzed), always check fingerstick glucometry. Maybe cautiously palpate belly; if anything is unusual, auscultate.
 
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Well, their bloke was clearly out of action for the rest of the night. I see no reason why a handsome young paramedic couldn't or shouldn't offer his services in the boneration+/-everlasting love department.

I had a similar situation on the weekend. As the saying goes "What happens on the island, stays on the island :)"

As far as protocol goes transport with pain relief, depending on transport time methoxy should do the trick however it might be worth getting access for pain relief or going up the nose depending on the transport time.
 
No, they were NICE ladies...
 
No he didn't and I didn't ask. Why do you ask?

It's not really relevant to the treatment, back of the leg makes me think sciatica, front of the leg has me thinking femoral nerve, and Injury to the back, such as degenterative disc could cause both.

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Given the intoxication (can we really believe it is only 9 beers) I would also suspect some drug use (we get raves in local state logging forests), namely exctasy & a high probability of an unknown or unrealized trauma leading to the pain he now realises. This is due to the fact he is coming down from MDMA.

I would pain manage him, fluids ESP if there is any suggestion of MDMA, as well as full spinal precautions.

The other thing to remember is cultural. The Aussie male is inherently hopeless in admitting to anything in the presence of 1. Beautiful women & 2. Anyone medical.
 
or acute choliecystits, pancreatitis, or hepatitis
 
Or he is lying about the trauma. He could have pulled a muscle or slipped a disk...entertaining...the ladies.
 
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I'm looking for a complete assessment here, which the OP has not provided. Mycrofft began asking the right questions. Is what you gave us what you'd report to the Doctor in the ER, OP?
 
Or he is lying about the trauma. He could have pulled a muscle or slipped a disk...entertaining...the ladies.

I was waiting for someone to suggest this one ;) If this turns out to be the case, my hat's off to him!

Does he remember what they said about his previous episodes or only that "the medications don't work"?

Anything observed on the back? Pain on palpation? Muscle rigidity noted? Guarding? I know it's his back but he could still "guard" it.

I see no evidence of drug use so I won't be entertaining the ecstasy theory. Plus that's not quite how it works, they aren't clumsy idiots and would notice some sort of trauma although with the ETOH on board it IS possible but not likely. People will argue that there is evidence but I will preface those arguments with ETOH is not reliable evidence of drug use.

Has he urinated? Any abnormalities in color, difficulty or smell? Pain? The kidneys are right there and some sort of inflammation could put pressure on nerves although I don't think this theory has any real foundation either.

Has he been drinking any water over the past couple of days or just partying? How about eating? Muscle cramps due to electrolyte imbalances seems plausible and with his Hx I'd be willing to bet that sensitive areas of the past would be the first that he would feel or notice.

firetender I'm wondering what else you would be able to tell the ER?? I'm not big on poking and prodding at someone who is in pain any more than I have to.
 
There's no reason to be shy about a little palpating. Would a head-to-toe exam be inappropriate and a report in that form being reported to the doc? It certainly would show the doc that you were thorough.

Perhaps a bit far-fetched, yet couldn't a twisted neck send out referred pain to the lower extremities? I'm thinking leave no stone unturned, especially since the pt. didn't seem willing to give much up on his own.

In essence, though, treatment would be the same; provide comfort and stability and transport.
 
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