FP-C and CCP-C

@WickedNorseMan I honestly have no idea what you’re trying to convey.
 
VentMonkey said:
@WickedNorseMan I honestly have no idea what you’re trying to convey.
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  • I’m not arguing against minimum experience requirements for flight jobs. Those are set by programs/medical directors and make sense for practice readiness.
  • I’m saying it can still be useful to earn FP-C/CCP-C before hitting those experience minimums.
    • The certs are valid for 4 years, so the studying/knowledge can mature while you continue gaining field time.
    • Some services view early certification as a positive signal of commitment and baseline knowledge, even if they still require X years to hire.
  • Re: exam differences—they’re not identical: FP-C includes flight physiology/ops; CCP-C is more purely clinical/transport. People often feel CCP-C’s scenarios dig deeper into pathophysiology and clinical nuance, but the “harder” label is subjective.
  • Bottom line: Experience + certification isn’t either/or. Get the experience your target program requires, but if you’re motivated, earning a cert earlier can accelerate your learning curve and make the later transition smoother.
Can I make it any clearer, or is there something specific that you don't understand?
 
WickedNorseMan said:
Can I make it any clearer, or is there something specific that you don't understand?
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Nope. I think I’m feeble-minded enough to understand condescension.

Anyhow, still beats the gawd-awful political conversations on this forum. Have a good one.
 
VentMonkey said:
Nope. I think I’m feeble-minded enough to understand condescension.

Anyhow, still beats the gawd-awful political conversations on this forum. Have a good o
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Obviously, this is a sarcastic comment. I would still like to say that it's unfortunate, as it's not meant to be condescending. I was trying to provide thorough explanations. I'm sorry that you took my attempt as being condescending in nature. Regardless of whether there is something you truly don't understand, I am happy to address it.
 
WickedNorseMan said:
Obviously, this is a sarcastic comment. I would still like to say that it's unfortunate, as it's not meant to be condescending. I was trying to provide thorough explanations. I'm sorry that you took my attempt as being condescending in nature. Regardless of whether there is something you truly don't understand, I am happy to address it.
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We’re good. We’re all a little sarcastic around here from time to time.

Again, just glad there’s a little life left in the EMS part of an EMS forum. See? Sarcasm…sort of.

And yes, I agree that there’s nothing wrong with the minimum 3-year hiring requirement. Though I am not sure how arbitrary the number is, it does seem sufficient enough to generate basic competencies for new flight-line clinicians.
 
I don't think companies look favorably on getting it sooner. I think flight has had an increase need for crew and has lowered their standards. The need is not as high as the ambulance, but they are short enough to be willing to pay for travelers. I saw plenty of people getting hired without their FP-C, often not even all the certs listed on the job application, and having the bare minimum 3 years experience. GMR seems to mostly hire people base on their personality rather than qualifications at least in my area. I doubt getting the FP-C as a 1 or 2 year medic is going to be a consideration.

I guess because of motiviation of the title or card, you could argue that one would learn quicker. You probably could be motivated by something else though like getting as much letters after your name and achieving the same thing. You could even just be motivated to learn without getting another card for it. I think it is just a card and getting it sooner than being able to use it has the unnecessary risk of losing one of your limited number of attempts if you fail. Isn't there just 6 attempts, the 3rd and beyond requiring extra steps? Don't the tests already have about near 50-60% pass rate with probably most people who qualify? It doesn't make sense to me to take the test when you can't even apply for those type of jobs yet.
 
Aprz said:
I don't think companies look favorably on getting it sooner. I think flight has had an increase need for crew and has lowered their standards. The need is not as high as the ambulance, but they are short enough to be willing to pay for travelers. I saw plenty of people getting hired without their FP-C, often not even all the certs listed on the job application, and having the bare minimum 3 years experience. GMR seems to mostly hire people base on their personality rather than qualifications at least in my area. I doubt getting the FP-C as a 1 or 2 year medic is going to be a consideration.

I guess because of motiviation of the title or card, you could argue that one would learn quicker. You probably could be motivated by something else though like getting as much letters after your name and achieving the same thing. You could even just be motivated to learn without getting another card for it. I think it is just a card and getting it sooner than being able to use it has the unnecessary risk of losing one of your limited number of attempts if you fail. Isn't there just 6 attempts, the 3rd and beyond requiring extra steps? Don't the tests already have about near 50-60% pass rate with probably most people who qualify? It doesn't make sense to me to take the test when you can't even apply for those type of jobs yet.
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Don’t know about test limitations, I took FP-C a long time ago. I don’t think there were limits other than financial when I took my CEN last year..
 
Aprz said:
I don't think companies look favorably on getting it sooner. I think flight has had an increase need for crew and has lowered their standards. The need is not as high as the ambulance, but they are short enough to be willing to pay for travelers. I saw plenty of people getting hired without their FP-C, often not even all the certs listed on the job application, and having the bare minimum 3 years experience. GMR seems to mostly hire people base on their personality rather than qualifications at least in my area. I doubt getting the FP-C as a 1 or 2 year medic is going to be a consideration.

I guess because of motiviation of the title or card, you could argue that one would learn quicker. You probably could be motivated by something else though like getting as much letters after your name and achieving the same thing. You could even just be motivated to learn without getting another card for it. I think it is just a card and getting it sooner than being able to use it has the unnecessary risk of losing one of your limited number of attempts if you fail. Isn't there just 6 attempts, the 3rd and beyond requiring extra steps? Don't the tests already have about near 50-60% pass rate with probably most people who qualify? It doesn't make sense to me to take the test when you can't even apply for those type of jobs yet.
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Already having your FP-C does play a factor into hiring decisions. It can help to show motivation in the fact that you went out on your own to gain the education and pass the test.

Also if you are at an agency in CA that utilizes the Unified Flight Medic scope, you now only have 1 year from the time you are hired to pass the test. By already having FP-C there is no concern if they will be able to pass the test.

If I have 2 potential employees who both have the same background, experience, and if they both did equally well on the interview, my preference will be for the already certified FP-C.
 
As desert says, i will look more favorably at the candidate with the required credentials. There is always a risk that i spend thousands of dollars training the employee without the credential and they somehow fail to obtain it within the required time. Ive know a few medics that were fired because they were not able to pass the fp-c.

In regards to fp-c vs ccp-c. In my opinion it is pointless to have both. The FP-C is more versatile as most cct ground agencies will accept it, and i have yet to find a flight agency that will accept CCP-C in lieu of the FP-C. So unless there is the desire to have all the IBSC patches, I dont recommend people have both unless they want to and have the 400 dollars every 4 years to spend on a technically duplicative certificate.

But what do i know, im just a potato.
 
PotatoMedic said:
As desert says, i will look more favorably at the candidate with the required credentials. There is always a risk that i spend thousands of dollars training the employee without the credential and they somehow fail to obtain it within the required time. Ive know a few medics that were fired because they were not able to pass the fp-c.

In regards to fp-c vs ccp-c. In my opinion it is pointless to have both. The FP-C is more versatile as most cct ground agencies will accept it, and i have yet to find a flight agency that will accept CCP-C in lieu of the FP-C. So unless there is the desire to have all the IBSC patches, I dont recommend people have both unless they want to and have the 400 dollars every 4 years to spend on a technically duplicative certificate.

But what do i know, im just a potato.
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But you’re a potato with a medic card…
 
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