Abc news article about oak brook illinois. "fire the firefighters one by one"

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For those not from the area, Oak Brook is a very upper class suburb of Chicago and is an area with rich people and very large homes in gated communities. They also have alot of BIG corporations headquartered there. This man has been in the news for years out here. He is the real life Scrooge.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7692654
 
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The village says 27 of the department's 28 firefighters earn more than $100,000 a year in total compensation.

Really? 100k plus a year? I kinda of feel bad for that one fire fighter getting screwed, but, come on. Six figure salary? They better be doing more than just waiting for a fire call and fighting over who's not on the ambulance that day.
 
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I don't know the breakdown of the pay (ie overtime, medical insurance, etc). If anyone finds it, please put a link here. BTW that was a quick response JP. Did you already read this article earlier?
 
One final comment on the article itself since I first posted while reading it.

In Oak Brook, sales tax revenue from the shopping center means residents don't have to pay property taxes for village services.

Village firefighters feel like residents have been getting their services essentially for free, so why should they make concessions?

Screw it. Fire every single one of them for absolutely failing to understand how taxes work. Sorry, if you're that stupid, I hate to think what other problems might arise in actual life threatening situations. Thankfully, the City of Bell scandal is going to start weeding out every one of these little corrupt criminals.

I don't know the breakdown of the pay (ie overtime, medical insurance, etc). If anyone finds it, please put a link here. BTW that was a quick response JP. Did you already read this article earlier?

Nope, read it fast and wrote my first response as I was reading it. When 96% of a department is making six figures, somethings wrong, very wrong.
 
Really? 100k plus a year? I kinda of feel bad for that one fire fighter getting screwed, but, come on. Six figure salary? They better be doing more than just waiting for a fire call and fighting over who's not on the ambulance that day.

Not unheard of, especially in areas where the cost of living is ridiculous.
 
Alot of the suburban deptartments are up there pay-wise in my area.
 
Most cap-off around 75k so then if they are figuring what the dept contributes for insurance, etc, and then OT. Hell its really up there.
 
I am from Long Island (Suffolk County) and the police there make over 100k due to the cost of living. That has been on the internet for years because people always complain. Start is about 57k and caps off after so many years at about 97 if I remember correctly but don't quote me. Anyway its on their website somewhere.
 
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That $100,000 figure includes all of their benefits, so it is skewed quite a bit. That area is VERY VERY wealthy, and if they want the FFs to live anywhere near Oak Brook they are going to have to pay them a higher than average salary.
What does the area being "very very wealthy" have anything to do with it? Does the McDonalds worker get paid twice the minimum wage starting just because it's a wealthy area? How many other jobs aren't compensated at a greater rate just because of the area? Should fire fighters have to be immune to commuting?


Ok, so the $100k/employee (I'll give that last employee a raise) including pay, benefits, and overtime. How much overtime? How many more people can be hired after cutting overtime? Looking at the numbers provided by the link, it looks like they are just under a 2:1 vehicle staffing ratio, which makes it a good argument that the department is understaffed. How many people can be hired by cutting overtime? Similarly, what is included in the benefit package?

The fact is that there's still a mental boundary that anything over 100k/yr is de facto rich, and even living in a higher class area, $100k, be it combined or just take home including overtime, shouldn't be struggling. Sure, you might not be able to live in Hollywood, but it's definitely enough to get you out of South Central (insert your local upper class/lower class areas). If they hired a few more people, slashed over time, and got the average reimbursment under 100k, I'm willing to bet that there would be much less argument, despite paying around the same amount, if not more.

The next problem is that the fire service as a whole has done a good job of marketing themselves as "blue collar workers." Go onto Hulu and watch season 3 of The Academy where they follow Orange County Fire Authority's academy. Watch how often the academy chief declares fire fighting to be "blue collar." Sorry, but if I was in charge of anything, especially in a high class area (which most of the areas where OCFA serves definitely is), my employees aren't "blue collar workers" but "highly trained professionals." Sorry, you can't claim the magical mantle of being "blue collar" while demanding a "white collar" wage. Want to be blue collar? Fine, then don't be surprised when people blame you for higher taxes in the same way that people are blaming other blue collar unions (read: auto unions) for bankrupting companies.

Which brings up the next issue. Emergency service employees are their own worst enemy. Fire, EMS, and police all have similar issues in this sense. There's a reason why one of the blogs that I read linked to the 'Firegeezer' blog included a request to avoid attending meetings until the IAFF has discussed this. The last thing the union and trade organizations wants is some idiot (and... sorry. Read the comments section on anything online critical to police, fire, or EMS and you see the department idiots online shouting some t-shirt slogan with bad grammar and spelling) walking into the meeting and making matters worse by confirming the feelings that these guys really aren't worth much more than minimum wage (and... yes... people who post crud like, "sounds like a bunch of rich jackass's to me, they need to leave emergency services alone. that guy prob. never got to sit in a fire eng. when he was a kid, prob to busy getting his *** kicked by future firefighters" most likely doesn't deserve much over minimum wage. Quote is from "Scott" on the blog linked by Aidey) is not going to help anything. In fact, it will make it much much worse.

What needs to happen is to go on the offensive. They need to prove that they are worth that much money, not whine that everything would be fine if they just instituted a property tax.
 
apparently referencing the fired head librarian, who has advanced degrees and made $98,676 a year.
Source: http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=325508

Why be a firefigher/medic when you can be perfectly safe and make just as much.

But then he goes on to say:
"You may like the library, but when you call 9-1-1, you want a policeman or a fireman before someone to tell you where the books are in the library," says [Xinos] the man who has talked of privatizing, outsourcing or even closing the library.

Except it seem he's willing to do without the FFs, EMTs or cops.
 
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So someone who goes through years of schooling and training to do a highly skilled job that requires in depth knowledge and important decision making skills should not be compensated? I don't get it.
 
So someone who goes through years of schooling and training to do a highly skilled job that requires in depth knowledge and important decision making skills should not be compensated? I don't get it.

Years? Really? Again, OCFA seemed to be able to take non-fire fighters and turn them into fire fighters in a matter of months, definitely not years.
 
Their population is around 9,000. In firing a $100,000/yr firefighter, your per capita benefit is maybe $11.50. Not exactly impressive, especially considering that the median family income is $169,718. What's more, the residents don't pay property tax. Funds are provided primarily by sales tax receipts from the abundance of local business.

What's disgusting is that they're advocating putting their own citizens and workers out on the streets just to teach others a lesson.

Good for the firefighters for having the foresight to put safeguards in place to protect their futures.
 
Years? Really? Again, OCFA seemed to be able to take non-fire fighters and turn them into fire fighters in a matter of months, definitely not years.

4-5 months of full time education and training, and then their rookie year, where they're required to study all the dept's operating manuals, review the material from the academy, and also the standard on duty inservice or out of service training for company ops and multi unit drills, as well as numerous in station drills for all. It's also not unusual to begin intense study for a promotional exam six months out from the test date. More and more depts also either require or give weight to education for career advancement. So add on a degree or two as well when promoting at the officer level. Not to mention the mandatory Officer I,II, and III, and also Instructor I,II, and III.

Completing an academy doesn't make you a fully competent firefighter. It's a continuous learning process, along with concentrated study and instruction/mentoring during the first year after the academy.

When you tally up the academy, the rookie year, and the frequent drilling and such, it really is years of study and training. Finishing the academy is just the beginning.
 
4-5 months of full time education and training, and then their rookie year, where they're required to study all the dept's operating manuals, review the material from the academy, and also the standard on duty inservice or out of service training for company ops and multi unit drills, as well as numerous in station drills for all. It's also not unusual to begin intense study for a promotional exam six months out from the test date. More and more depts also either require or give weight to education for career advancement. So add on a degree or two as well when promoting at the officer level. Not to mention the mandatory Officer I,II, and III, and also Instructor I,II, and III.

Completing an academy doesn't make you a fully competent firefighter. It's a continuous learning process, along with concentrated study and instruction/mentoring during the first year after the academy.

When you tally up the academy, the rookie year, and the frequent drilling and such, it really is years of study and training. Finishing the academy is just the beginning.


...so basically... it's not really any more different than any other job where you plan on getting promoted then short of taking job competencies and giving a merit badge? You go through the inital education (be it outside education from the company or internal training), go through a specific training time, and then work to maintain competency and learn new skills. The only difference is an advertising company doesn't offer scripting 1, 2, and 3. They just expect their commercial writers to be able to do their job. I've always found it amazing that some fields have to think their special for doing things that other fields do themselves.

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I'd also like to add that in the real world, people don't get overtime for drills. An emergency department does an MCI drill? They don't call people in on their day off, they just do the drill. The local EMS coordination system wants to run a dry run through of the MCI patient tracking software ("Redinet" where I am), an extra radio nurse doesn't come on duty. Sorry, but when your job is to be "engaged to wait" (IIRC, is the specific labor law phrase), then training is a valid part of your job and considered by everyone else as "work", not something that gets thrown up as "years of training required." Otherwise "years of training" is just synonymous with the real world term "job experience."
 
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JPINFV.. your sentiment towards Firefighters and EMS seems pretty poor. I understand there are those few that cast the majority in a negative light but to denounce all as unworthy of decent compensation because they don't hold a Master's degree is a little out there.
 
JPINFV.. your sentiment towards Firefighters and EMS seems pretty poor. I understand there are those few that cast the majority in a negative light but to denounce all as unworthy of decent compensation because they don't hold a Master's degree is a little out there.

What's decent compensation then, and seriously, do people have a right to live in the city they work? There's a difference between a region's cost of living and smaller internal area's cost of living. Heck, where I currently live that can change rather dramatically by going 5 miles down the street.

Also, when did it become wrong to expect people to actually work? I fully understand that a job where one is "engaged to wait" is different than a 9-5 job, however I don't think it's completely unreasonable for additional work to be done that is pertinent to the mission of the agency while being "engaged to wait" between calls.
 
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LMAO.

In the video they say "Inaudible" whilst you can clearly hear the man say "man in panties".
 
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