Trip to Europe

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It's something I've always wanted to do, and my best friend and I are in the pre-planning processes of doing it later this year... probably later September so we can partake in Oktoberfest in Germany. We are thinking AT MINIMUM 2 weeks, if not 3 or 4, and just go throughout all of Europe on our own time doing whatever looks fun.


Anyone ever go to Europe and do something similar? How much did it cost about? Any tips on places to go or things to do?
 
My short list:
-Normandy
-The American cemeteries in France, Holland and Belgium. If you end up doing this, let me know as I have some graves I would like you to place flowers on for me if you don't mind.
-Bad Reichenhall, Germany. My choice for the most beautiful place on the planet
-Berlin for all the various attractions
-Auschwitz. It's a dark chapter in human history, but it is something that every person who considers themselves well rounded and well traveled should see.
-The Salzkammergut in Austria
-The Wieliczka Salt Mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wieliczka_Salt_Mine
-Mt. Vesuvius, Pompeii, Herculaneum
-Oban, Scotland
-Monte Cassino, Italy
-Istanbul (if for nothing more than the architecture and markets)
-Aix-en-Provence
-Visit Cezanne's Chateau de Vauvenargues (later owned by Picasso)
-Visit the Musee Granet (art)
-The La Bastide de Cabries is where I would suggest staying
-Check out calissons (a local candy)


Be ready to pay through the nose. The exchange rate is horrible and with the cost of fuel, you might actually save money by taking a cruise one way across the Atlantic if time is not an issue.
 
If you can squeeze in Ireland I'd check out Dublin. It is a great place to be an American they really seem to love us there. The economy is pretty bad in Ireland at the moment as well so your dollar will go a lot further there than most places in Europe. If your going to do any eastern Europe try to get to Prague it's a great way to check out a post communist city without having to travel far from western europe. Try the site go-today.com they specialize in off peak travel packages and you can get some really good deals through them. I've used them in the past and they were really easy to work with. If you don't have your passport yet make sure and get on it. Passport processing is taking forever these days.
 
It's something I've always wanted to do, and my best friend and I are in the pre-planning processes of doing it later this year... probably later September so we can partake in Oktoberfest in Germany.

Better start trying to find a hotel for that now.

Anyone ever go to Europe and do something similar? How much did it cost about? Any tips on places to go or things to do?

I live here 9 months a year.

The cost depends on your quality of life and where you go.

I live about 40 minutes from Auschwitz. About 5 from one of the opening battles of WWII

Aside from the WWII sites Krakow and Prague are must sees.
 
My wife and I traveled around europe several times in the 80's. I don't think our pricing info would be any good to you now. However the way we went about it should still be valid. With the internet this should be easier, no more waiting for the mail. We never went for less than 3 weeks and went once for 6.

We gathered lots of info from various embassies on their countries. This can give info on things to do and see as well as insights as to what is considered polite and impolite, border crossings, visas, currency etc. Not everywhere uses the Euro.

Get maps. Lots of maps. This lets you plan where things are in relation to each other.

Get books from travel agents on prepackaged tours. They are a wealth of info on what to see and where to go. You can also pick up info on travel times between places. Just because places are close together doesn't mean they are close together time wise. Narrow, twisty, winding roads can slow travel down alot.

Pick up some travel books such as Fodors, Frommers, Lonely Planet etc. These books have a lot of info on where to stay and eat in various budget ranges. This also helps to sort out what it will cost you. We used a Frommers book and although we didn't stay and eat at many places he reccommended those places were often not the only place nearby. Many times the books reccommendation was full but there were 5 -10 others nearby.

We never took a bus tour and never took the train. We always rented a car and travelled on our own. We found our own B&B's or Gasthof's at night and sought out local restaurants. Most places give you a breakfast in the morning and we would pick up stuff for sandwiches etc for lunch. We always took a little camping stove and a small pot. It was great for some coffee/tea or soup on the side of the road somewhere while drinking in the sights.

Pick up some language books for the countries you are going to. While many europeans speak english(and quite well), you will earn valuable brownie points trying to speak theirs.

We always booked our first and last nights room somewhere near the airport we would be flying in and out of. If you are arriving on a redeye don't forget to book an early arrival at the hotel. Knowing where you are going to stay allows you to get organized, get the lay of the land. You can plan your departure, find out the exit to take for the rental return etc.

Every country has lots of sights and things to do depending on your interests. Just a few things/places to see if you are in the area in random order:
Ludwigs castles
The abby at Monte Cassino
Pompei
Rome (too much to list)
Every alpine road
Hallin salt mines
Big museums (British, Louvre etc.)
Salzburg
Hitlers Eagles Nest
Paris (too much to list)
London (too much to list)
A war cemetary (very humbling)
A million other things and places.

I'm sure with some preplanning you can have a good trip on whatever your budget is.

Bon Voyage
 
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One of my dreams is to do a BMW European Delivery Vacation.

Basically, for those that don't know, when you buy a BMW you have the option of selecting "European Delivery". What this means is that you fly to Munich and pick your car up literally from the factory. They give you the keys and set you up with European license plates and 3 months of insurance. You can then drive your new bimmer around Europe for up to 90 days. When you're done, you drop it back off at a dealer location, fly home, and they deliver it to your home dealership (free). Only problem I see with this is getting enough time off to really enjoy it. Also, having a car in some places (e.g., Rome) can actually be more of a hassle than it's worth. But still - imagine driving your brand new BMW through the alps, then along the French Riviera.

Oh, I should mention that this doesn't cost anything - they actually give you a discount of 5-7% off the price of the car! Yeah, it's more expensive than a normal vacation considering the cheapest bimmer is the 1 series starting around $29k, going up quickly from there. If one was already in the market though, it can be a great experience. Plus, Lufthansa will give you a buy-one-get-one roundtrip airfare if you're participating in this. (But who wants to take the missus on a road-trip of these epic proportions??)

This is the route I was toying with. Although looking now, I would probably axe Lyon and swing down to Barcelona instead.

Obviously, you and your buddies are not planning to buy a BMW just to get a vacation (it's still just a dream for me, too). However, I wanted to point out one of my stops, in case you love beer as much as I do (esp since you mentioned Oktoberfest):

The random address in Belgium is the abbey of the Saint Sixtus of Westvleteren monks. They are an order of trappist monks who brew some of the rarest beer in the world. You can only get this beer by calling a certain telephone number at a certain time and being lucky enough to get through. The monk will give you a date to show up and then, and only then, can you buy a case of their beer. However, even if I wasn't able to get a reservation for beer, they have a cafe where you can get good food and partake of their beer and homemade cheeses. I have only had the Westy 12, and it really is amazing. I have heard good things about all of their brews though, and they aren't the only trappist monks who brew in Belgium - just the hardest to get.
 
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If you get frisky (and subsidized) buy a Harley or two here, ship then over there, get a European cell phone #, place it on the back of them with a FOR SALE sign, do your tour, sell to the highest bidder at the end and most likely, make your $ back and pay for your trip!
 
I'm going to Italy/Germany for our honeymoon. 3 weeks this summer. We've both been a few times to various parts of Europe in the past.

It's expensive to get the plane tickets, but once you are there you can live at whatever price you need to. Because its our honeymoon, we're going to spend a bit this time around.

Honestly, though, the thing I love to do is get in a city for a week and just wander it. You see so much when you have the time to do that.
 
I started to write an epic, then realised no one wanted to read 10 screens of my travel stories :rolleyes:

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- car rental / gas is often quite expensive compared to North America. Don't know how it is in Germany, it can be a pain to move around some cities / some regions with a car. The public transport there is safe and efficient.

- It's pretty easy in Munich just to get on the back door of the bus and not pay. No one seems to care.

- if you're driving, watch out for the queues on the Autobahn around Munich. They're deadly in busy periods. "Stau"

- Underground systems in most places are pretty simple to get around. You don't need to be able to understand the language to understand the map.

- Eurorail pass is very cheap if you buy it in the US. You can also get passes to travel 10 days in a month, or something similar, for less.

- campsites, with showers, swimming pools, restaurants, are everywhere. These are a viable option.

- hostels are cheap. Some have small hotels, or bedrooms for two at a slightly higher rate.

- Europe is much safer than the states, don't worry too much about being a victim of crime. It's unnerving hearing another language spoken around you constantly if you're not used to it -- don't let it get to you.

- you can find internet cafes all over the place. It may be easier to leave the computer at home.

- unless you have a really weird bank card, you should be able to take cash out at most ATMs. This will cost, of course.

- Lonely Planet does something like "Western Europe on a shoestring", if you're looking to be fairly cheap. I have a copy. It needs a DNR.

- It's useful to learn enough of whatever language is used in your area to be able to say "thanks", "please", "goodbye", and perhaps "I'm sorry I don't speak language X, can we speak English?". You may feel stupid doing it, but it helps a lot.

- Remember that depending on the country you're in anywhere from 10 - 99% of the people around you will understand English, even if they're not comfortable or willing to speak it. Please don't get drunk and loudly deride the local culture. :)

- Take as little luggage as possible, especially if you plan on using public transport much. North Americans seem to be used to 1-2 carry-on bags and two large 20kg checked bags. A lot of europeans seem to get buy for long periods of time on a single carry-on, or one piece of checked luggage.

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Germany - Switzerland - Austria
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Munich - eat everything, drink lots of Weissbeer, go to all of the beer halls twice. Go to Neuschwanstein castle.

Check out the hard liquor at the checkout at all the roadside stops.

Berlin - see remnants of the wall, the site of Checkpoint Charlie, the difference between former east and west Berlin. See the Reichstag, see the Brandenburg gate.

Go tour a holocaust camp while you're there. Any one. I went to Sachsenhausen. Deeply, deeply, disturbing.

Interlaken (Switzerland). Ride the train up to the Jungfraujoch at 3600m (11,000ft). Stop at one of the stations on the inside of the Eiger mountain. Look down the famous North face. Do some outdoors stuff. Climbing, hiking, rafting, etc. Lots to be had.

Bern (Switzerland). Tour the town, it's pretty neat. Avoid the depressing bear pit. Find out where you can ride the river.

Salzburg (Austria) Walk around, it's pretty.
Innsbruck (Austria) Take a cable car up to the ridge-line behind the city, walk around for a few hours.
Vienna.

Other stuff in Europe in no particular order
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Pompei, Pisa, Rome, Dolomites, Venice (Italy)

All the Vatican stuff, even if you're not religious (Vatican)

Nice, Paris, Eiffel Tower, Arc d'triomphe, Louvre, Normandy, Bayeux Tapestry, Wine country (liked Saint Emillion) (France)

Red light district and Coffee shops, Anne Frank's house, Amsterdam (Holland)

Tower of London, Tower Bridge, Buckingham Palace, Nelson's column, trafalger square, all the museums (London), drive down to Cornwall to see some of the prettiest landscape in the world (England).

Vasamuseet, Gamlastan, speed bump signs that say "Farthinder" (Sweden)

I'll say this, though. Most of the really cool experiences I've had have been from walking down a street, and thinking, hmm.... let's check this out. And it's ended up being something that's not prominently featured in one of the guidebooks. Or things that have gone horribly wrong. Like getting a campsite in Pisa 10 meters from a set of train tracks (upside: very cheap wine made it easier to sleep). Or just deciding to check out a random small town.

I would recommend staying as flexible as possible with the planning, and allowing yourself time to take little detours, rather than planning every day to the max to try and see everything. You won't. It's easy to lose a lot of time travelling, even just small distances. Especially if you're lugging around lots of luggage.
 
just my 2 cents from ireland.

if you can visit here, its a beautiful country. fly into dublin and do the city stuff for a while then get out of the city fast, theres so much more in ireland then dublin. dublin is cool for some history, the guiness store house/factory, musics venues and pubs(bars) etc but after all its just a city like the rest.
check out paddy wagon tours on google for an idea of tours around ireland, most can be done in a day asd were such a small country.

theres the cliffs of moher, blarney castle with the stone(kiss the blarney stone thingy) theres the giants causeway in derry, wicklow is beatuiful also with the mountains and glendalough area.

one thing i will say is its very expensive here, fuel(if you rent a car) is very expensive here. currently its at 1.50 euro per litre which works out at 2.11 dollars per litre of petrol,and if you use gallons instead of litres add the extra on top of that also.
food is expensive here aswell as accomadation in the city.


it all depends on what your into and what you want to do while here.
if your considering coming to ireland and want to know more, contact me and i'll go into further detail.

oh yeah and americans are fairly well recepted over here, after all you guys brought us, good tv, movies and coke a cola hahaha
 
I lived in Europe for 10 years, moved to the US in 2000. Moved back in 2007 and then back to the US 2009.

-There is crime in Europe, no doubt about it. There isn't "less" crime than the US. It's pretty much the same. Just don't piss off the wrong people. If you don't do that, then you don't have any issues at all.
-Don't buy a tour book. Hit a bar and make friends. Ask locals what there is to see and they'll show it to you. We would tour Europe months at a time and just got everywhere locals told us to go and it was unreal the stuff you'd see. We would also find work here and there to keep our trips going.
-Pack Lightly
-Use public transportation. It's actually very nice to take the light rail or the bus in Europe. Use it as much as possible, you'll save a lot of money.

Good luck and let me know if you're hitting Scandinavia and I can help you out with travels.
 
Ive been to Europe a couple of times also. Nothing really more to tell you, then what others have already said... Go have fun... If your goign from the UK to continental Europe, look for the Overnight Ferry from Harwich, England to The Hook of Holland. Its cheap and easy. Holland was AWESOME! Fun, great people, and beautiful!
 
Spain, man. Go to Spain. Been there a few times and am getting ready to go back. I love the place. You can do Europe pretty cheap of you shop around and limit time in major cities (Barcelona, Paris, London and that kind of thing).

Mostly, try Spain.

Jeff
 
Brown hears them European rail tours are pretty awesome

Italy, go to Italy, eat lots

Brown has been to London, bleck, Brown will only go back because Mrs Brown wants to go and .... and Brown wants to get photos in an orange suit with HEMS :D
 
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