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I've read the books, but I have only had a couple of calls that involved patients with trachs.

I'd like to hear from the experienced people about trachs.

Types most often seen
Replacing
Failures
Suctioning tips
Tips on bagging someone with a trach
Anything else that might make having a trach pt call go easier


Thanks!
 
I get trachs at least once a week.

You bag how you normally would. The BVM will attach to the trach itself. Or the mask anyway.

We you transport them you will need a venturi mask to hook up to your oxygen tank.

It is set my liters and percentage oxygen. usually they are on at least 10liters but only room air at 22%. They need humidity.

You suction with a french cath. Same way as you would suction any thing else. No more than 15 seconds and suction on the way out.

Nothing fancy or special. Doesn't usually require much on your part.
 
I get trachs at least once a week.

You bag how you normally would. The BVM will attach to the trach itself. Or the mask anyway.

We you transport them you will need a venturi mask to hook up to your oxygen tank.

It is set my liters and percentage oxygen. usually they are on at least 10liters but only room air at 22%. They need humidity.

You suction with a french cath. Same way as you would suction any thing else. No more than 15 seconds and suction on the way out.

Nothing fancy or special. Doesn't usually require much on your part.

I generally know the basics of trachs :p

Have you ever tried to bag someone with a trach who was having respiratory distress? They try to kill you :lol:
 
Have a bottle of sterile water open and ready when suctioning a trach. The nasty goop that builds up in them will clog a tip in 2 or 3 rounds of suctioning. Suction for a bit then rinse with the water and repeat. This probably sounds like day one stuff for those of you who went through a good program but for folks like me figuring that out was practically on par with brain surgery.
 
I generally know the basics of trachs :p

Have you ever tried to bag someone with a trach who was having respiratory distress? They try to kill you :lol:

Then they dont need to be bagged lol they also hate being suctioned.
My partner hit this guys corina a little too hard with the.cath and i thought he was gonna punch him.


what kind of advanced stuff do you wanna know? You cant fix a broken trach. You have to resort to airway management.

Can medics replace them if they fall out? Thats all I can see you needing to do.
 
An old Flight medic trick

Here is what I'll add. When flying it was sometimes difficult to get the BVM attached to the trach, especially if the patient was hypoxic. One trick I used alot was using a 8 inch section of flex tube (used on vent circuits) with an adapter on it allowed me to position my bvm along side the head, vs. trying to get to that stubby trach.

just FYI
 
I've read the books, but I have only had a couple of calls that involved patients with trachs.

I'd like to hear from the experienced people about trachs.

Types most often seen
Replacing
Failures
Suctioning tips
Tips on bagging someone with a trach
Anything else that might make having a trach pt call go easier


Thanks!

Managing a trach pt is not as complicated as you might think. Just realize this.

1. Their airway is nolonger at their mouth or nose, but simply at the bottom of their neck.

2. Their natural filter/humidifier of their nose is nolonger in play.

3. Their secretions will now more than likely be thicker and usually more purulent.

4. Since their access to their lungs is half the distance than yours or mine, you will now suction about half the distance.

5. And do not get me started about proper suction technique. Most practitioners do it wrong anyways.
 
Shiley and Bivona are the two most common brands on the market, with no real practical difference.

When transporting a trach patient one of the most important things to remember is to have a trach of the same size and half a size smaller, just in case you end up in a situation where there is total plugging you are unable to relieve with suction.

Generally, in my experience, when a trach comes out, your best bet is to go with the half size smaller immediately. The stoma that the trach is in closes fairly rapidly, and the tissue surrounding the stoma is very tough and scarred (not very stretchy) so working a new trach in if you are not experienced is going to be difficult.

What the poster said above about sterile water or sterile NS is very true. These patient have extremely thick secretions and a good lavage is sometimes necessary.

If all else fails and you are unable to ventilate through the trach (total occlusion) your best bet is probably to completely remove it, occlude the stoma, and bag the patient through the mouth and nose with a BVM as usual. I know this doesn't sound ideal, but it beats the situation you may currently find yourself in.

The patients we see who have trachs typically get them because of chronic pulmonary infections, inability to control secretions, poor tracheal stability, etc. These are mostly seen in peds. With adults, you could see your cancer patient, trauma patient, or other type of patient whose hypopharynx or upper airway may have been destroyed for some reason.

As is the norm with most chronic patients, either them, or their caretaker is probably very knowledgable about hwo to manage their current condition. I remember when I first started as a paramedic allowing a mother to ride int he back with a trach patient because she was really the ideal person to manage it at that time. The patient was more comfortable with her suctioning, she had better technique, and it made me more comfortable. Nowadays, since I have some more experience, I am still no opposed to doing that.

I will also add, I agree completely with MSDelta, proper suctioning is very important, and unfortunately not done very often. In fact I went to a referral the other day for a child with RSV (not a trach patient, so sorry to get off topic) and the child was full of secretions. We asked the referral nurse if they suctioned, and she flat out said "We don't do deep suctioning here." Kind of scary really...a child in respiratory distress, and they simply don't treat it because they are not comfortable with proper suctioning. Oh well...
 
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To add to WTEngel somtimes NS just won't work if secretions are extremely thick. An old RT trick I learned in the burn center is the use of NAHCO3 for lavage. Which makes sense since secretions are acidic and HCO3 is a base. I've pulled out mucous plugs on burn pts.

Also when suctioning, people suction for only short periods as they never stop pulling out. I wont pull out. I'll leave it in and suction at least 15-20 secs. The difference is to discern if your pt is turning blue from hypoxia or red from strain. They should be on the monitor and SpO2. Watch for PVC's, significant HR increases, cyanosis, SpO2 drops.

Suctioning doesn't get the secretions from the distal airways (alveoli). Coughing, however, does. Piss them off. Make them cough. You'll be hated... at first. But when the pt/family realize the difference, they'll breathe a sigh of relief when you show up if not ask for you by name. That happened to me on more than one occasion back in my RT days.
 
5. And do not get me started about proper suction technique. Most practitioners do it wrong anyways.

Would it be ok if we did get you started -- it seems like there might be some learning points in there?

Also, regaring the bicarbonate, what concentration is used?
 
Would it be ok if we did get you started -- it seems like there might be some learning points in there?

Also, regaring the bicarbonate, what concentration is used?

I went ahead and got started on the previous post.

As far as NAHCO3-, I would just draw up 3-5cc of 8.4% and lavage and suction until either I get no return or pt deteriates.

Sometimes you need to be aggressive, but judiciously aggressive. When pts are trached they're sick, weak, and brittle 9 times out of 10. You don't want to overdo it.
 
If all else fails and you are unable to ventilate through the trach (total occlusion) your best bet is probably to completely remove it, occlude the stoma, and bag the patient through the mouth and nose with a BVM as usual. I know this doesn't sound ideal, but it beats the situation you may currently find yourself in.

You can also put an endotracheal tube in through the stoma - just don't ram it in too far.
 
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