TCCC- CEU

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NysEms2117

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does anybody have any experience with the TCCC(tactical combat casualty care) CEU? Is there a difference between TCCC and TECC and LEFR-TCC? i'm looking to take a few, but dont really know which ones to take.. Im an EMT-B. also is EPC aimed at ALS providers?

I have already read the NAEMT website.
 
They're accredited by CECBEMS. TCCC offers 16hrs CE, TECC offers 8hrs, and I believe LEFR is just 4hrs.

TCCC is overkill for most providers, but I like that it goes into more depth in certain areas. As an EMT, some of it will be above your scope (ABx, pain management, fluid considerations, etc).

TECC is typically sufficient for most field medics. It gives you the down and dirty trauma care considerations, with some scenario based learning (ideally). TECC can vary quite a bit though since it was designed to be flexible to local areas.

LEFR is basically bleeding control and when to do it.
 
Doesn't seem like a ton of value-added above PHTLS, unless I'm mistaken?
 
EpiEMS said:
Doesn't seem like a ton of value-added above PHTLS, unless I'm mistaken?
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i was also trying to add something to my resume of my main job if i could too, EPC was just something that interested me.

STXmedic said:
TCCC is overkill for most providers, but I like that it goes into more depth in certain areas. As an EMT, some of it will be above your scope (ABx, pain management, fluid considerations, etc).
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Would i still be allowed to enroll in it? or would it just be moot at that point?
 
NysEms2117 said:
i was also trying to add something to my resume of my main job if i could too, EPC was just something that interested me.


Would i still be allowed to enroll in it? or would it just be moot at that point?
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Gotcha - I think TECC should do nicely. The best class, it seems, is CONTOMS, which I think is offered by the National Parks Service?
 
EpiEMS said:
Gotcha - I think TECC should do nicely. The best class, it seems, is CONTOMS, which I think is offered by the National Parks Service?
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looking at that now... Trying to figure out if i meet the reqs for an EMT-T.. never even heard of that before.

Also looked at the locations >.<
 
Yes, you're still allowed to take the course as an EMT.

I think these courses can be very hit or miss. Some are exceedingly good, especially if the hands-on or scenario portion is good. Others are quite poor and mostly death by PowerPoint. Ask around if anybody in your area has taken the course and their thoughts on it.
 
NysEms2117 said:
Would i still be allowed to enroll in it? or would it just be moot at that point?
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You can enroll and graduate, but most of the stuff they'll teach you will be out of your scope as a civvy EMT.
 
Qulevrius said:
You can enroll and graduate, but most of the stuff they'll teach you will be out of your scope as a civvy EMT.
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That's not necessarily a bad thing. It's good to get an appreciation for the care beyond your scope of practice, and it can only make you a stronger provider, assuming you don't start trying to dose patients with antibiotics yourself.
 
rescue1 said:
That's not necessarily a bad thing. It's good to get an appreciation for the care beyond your scope of practice, and it can only make you a stronger provider, assuming you don't start trying to dose patients with antibiotics yourself.
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Tx3C isn't about dosing patients with antibiotics, mate...
 
Qulevrius said:
Tx3C isn't about dosing patients with antibiotics, mate...
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There is a large section about dosing a patient with antibiotics, mate.
 
Qulevrius said:
Same as it has large sections about exsanguination and blast trauma. Your point ?
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Oh? Are we not assuming that a single reference to something should be extrapolated to mean far more than it actually did? I thought that's what we were doing... I'll stop following your lead then :)
 
Or maybe you can lose some of that smug, go back and re-read my first. Then you can extrapolate all you want.
 
Qulevrius said:
Same as it has large sections about exsanguination and blast trauma. Your point ?
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My point was just that antibiotics for trauma is outside the scope for civilian EMS in the US, so it was an example of taking a course that had stuff outside your scope and then deciding to inappropriately use it in the field. I could just have easily used "put in a chest tube" as an example too. So I guess I don't really understand what the confusion is.
 
You make comment about being out of scope

Rescue makes a reference to one of the out of scope things

You say the course is not about that thing

He never said the course was about that thing

I extrapolate that your reading comprehension is poor

:)

Oh, and I'm sorry if I came across as smug. That was not my intent. Smartass was my intent.
 
rescue1 said:
My point was just that antibiotics for trauma is outside the scope for civilian EMS in the US, so it was an example of taking a course that had stuff outside your scope and then deciding to inappropriately use it in the field. I could just have easily used "put in a chest tube" as an example too. So I guess I don't really understand what the confusion is.
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There's no confusion. Extracurricular stuff is always useful, especially when it's applicable in your current field. Getting familiar with the pharm section of Tx3C is good and nice, but it's purely academic. In the end of the day, it will only benefit you if you decide to further your education beyond your current scope.
 
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