Sellick maneuver for BASIC resuscitation...what's up?

It's not really that the evidence changes every few years, it's that the research evolves. It takes awhile for something to go from an idea to being piloted to having enough studies done that big groups like the AHA or NREMT feel comfortable changing national policy. Also every time you make a change need to study the new situation. So if AHA rolls out single shock, no pause after shock for CPR, you then start looking at outcomes with the new guidelines. People found those with decreased pauses in compressions do better, and intubations often cause long delays in compressions. Now those studies are coming out, which is why they update protocols every few years.

I think the reasons that there are so many unsettling changes in medicine is because so much of what we do is not based on any evidence or studies. The protocols started because something made sense, and it took 20 years for someone to get around to studying it. The issue wasn't that the research said something was good and now the research says it's bad. The issue is that you go from no research to suddenly some data. (Look at MAST pants, IVs for trauma, bicarb for arrests etc)
 
Yup five is four.

To paraphrase myself, since we have been perfecting CPR for about fifty years now, why isn't it perfect?

1. As Z said, sort of, these are dead people we are doing it to. I do not hear the old distinction about clinical versus biological death spoken of anymore. As Magic Max said, there's dead and there's almost dead

2. Personal hypotheses:
a. Many or most so-called successful codes away from a hospital (and some there) didn't need CPR, or only needed it long enough for their homeostatic mechanisims to survive anoxia and kick in again (e.g., electrocution, blunt chest concussion with subsequent arrythmia, asphyxia by exclusion of air, and a few others). I've seen this.
b. As long as there is so much money and clout to be made from CPR, constant but irrelevant-to-clinical outcome revisions will continue, justifying updates and pormpting frequent refreshers and purchase of new training materials. (If CPR is such a universal lifesaver, how come we can't just have the updates, but have to pay significantly for them?).
c. As long as people do not recover from whatever led someone to perform CPR on them, whomever is teaching it is obligated to continue to "improve" it as a matter of due dilgence or be "guilty" of teaching a "faulty" procedure, whether it is or not.

 
To paraphrase myself, since we have been perfecting CPR for about fifty years now, why isn't it perfect?

1. As Z said, sort of, these are dead people we are doing it to. I do not hear the old distinction about clinical versus biological death spoken of anymore. As Magic Max said, there's dead and there's almost dead

2. Personal hypotheses:
a. Many or most so-called successful codes away from a hospital (and some there) didn't need CPR, or only needed it long enough for their homeostatic mechanisims to survive anoxia and kick in again (e.g., electrocution, blunt chest concussion with subsequent arrythmia, asphyxia by exclusion of air, and a few others). I've seen this.
b. As long as there is so much money and clout to be made from CPR, constant but irrelevant-to-clinical outcome revisions will continue, justifying updates and pormpting frequent refreshers and purchase of new training materials. (If CPR is such a universal lifesaver, how come we can't just have the updates, but have to pay significantly for them?).
c. As long as people do not recover from whatever led someone to perform CPR on them, whomever is teaching it is obligated to continue to "improve" it as a matter of due dilgence or be "guilty" of teaching a "faulty" procedure, whether it is or not.


I think I might have some insight on the question.

The first part of the problem is we don't actually know what perfect CPR is. This can be evidenced by the outcome of compression only cpr.

AHA then delved into the resuscitative medicine concept in both ACLS and PALS. Only the American academy of Pediatrics in their NRP course took issue with the AHA and have so far held their ground.

As we learned more about medicine AHA did start research as to how well our intervention of CPR worked. It would seem from the research, (available in a nice book from the AHA for about $80 because book sales is how research is funded) The problem wasn't CPR the problem was the "advanced stuff." Most of it doesn't work and people were neglecting CPR to do it. In response to this an an increase of 20% mortality in cardiac arrest between 2000 and 2005, an effort was made to refocus on CPR and less on the "advanced" stuff. But the world is not filled with people like you and I. It requires breaking the habits of tens of thousands of providers.

CPR throughout history has gone through numerous changes in the effort to make it better. compression ratios, ventilation ratios, the importance of ventilation, compression depth, etc. The AHA has the largest body of compiled research and on going study anywhere. But as with all research some of it is inconclusive, some is poorly reported, and some is set up with bias.

Believe it or not, we know what perfect cpr is, there are some problems. 250 compressions a minute is impossible to maintain any quality not to mention without a professional compressor, most people don't have the physical ability to perform that without going into arrest themselves.

In the short term the body has an oxygen reserve, but what about 6+ minutes later? How do we maintain perfusion pressures and ventilate? What is the perfect medium? Add in the compressions and perfusion pressure, when and how is the most beneficial ratio?

Then the AHA has to get a large body (hundreds) of "experts" to come to a consensus. In the EU they don't like the AHA consensus and use the same body of research to create their own guidlines which look quite different from the AHA.

Look at what the AHA really "credentials" you in. It simply means you have attended the course and demonstrated competency in their procedures. That's what CPR, ACLS, and PALS is. A procedure. No different from starting an IV, intubating, changing dressings, or whatever.

It is the basic guidlines of "resuscitation" that epidemiologically make sense until "reversible causes" can be found. It is not a class designed to make people experts in the subject. After all of my education I would feel like a retard if I could have learned how to bring people back to life following a procedure that can be taught in 16 hours and I can sum all of it up in 342 words. (I know because I made a bet I could summarize ACLS to get people to pass in less than 500 words)

The guidlines are simply what the non expert does, until the expert can be brought to bear. If that were not so, "reversible causes" would be the number one thing on the algorythm, not an afterthought at the bottom of the page. People survive because the cause of the arrest is dealt with, not because anyone flawlessly followed an algorythm. It would be like saying a septic patient should be cured because you flawlessly started an IV and started antibiotics without regard to what antibiotics you were using.

Change must also come slowly. Not because I said so, but because it seems most people don't like radical change. So I expect to see a series of changes over time instead of radical shifts. Look at other medical breakthroughs. We know high concentration O2 is harmful in most cases, we know backboards don't really help, we know capnography is a better indicatior than Spo2, we know about hypothermia therapy, but we still keep doing some and are not so fast to adopt others. Hell we can't even get paramedics in the US to universally interpret a 12 lead EKG, how else do we go about changes the ingrained experiences and habits of the entire US healthcare population?
 
Everywhere I've worked you didn't have to pay for special update classes, you just got the new info when you took your CPR/ACLS refresher. You aren't paying for the update, you are paying for the books, instructor time etc. Most of the data is collected by people not paid by the AHA, rather it's from NIH or other funding sources, so it's not like by taking the class you are paying for research to fund the AHA.

I don't think it's a matter of perfecting it over the last 50 years, a lot has changed not only with the research but with the systems. A system that has community CPR, community defibrillation, first responders with defib and CPR training, early hypothermia, early ALS is very very different then what was being done 50 years ago. We've only been measuring delays in compressions for the last few years because before that we didn't have the technology to look at compressions in real codes.

It bothers me this idea that "what we do doesn't really matter because they are basically dead anyway." I know the save percentage is low but that is more an issue with the fact that a large percentage of arrests are unwitnessed. Witnessed arrests with good CPR and early defib have a pretty good chance of survival neurologically intact.

A lot of the changes aren't from some lab or a group sitting around arguing about what the proper ratio of compressions should be in an ideal world. More and more of this research is from work done on real patients where they can say "if you don't interupt compressions, more people live and live better." That's not a meaningless change.

http://www.med.upenn.edu/resuscitation/

These guys at Upenn are doing some cool stuff with looking at CPR on real patients and outcomes, also doing a lot of the hypothermia work.
 
Everywhere I've worked you didn't have to pay for special update classes, you just got the new info when you took your CPR/ACLS refresher. You aren't paying for the update, you are paying for the books, instructor time etc. Most of the data is collected by people not paid by the AHA, rather it's from NIH or other funding sources, so it's not like by taking the class you are paying for research to fund the AHA.

I don't think I made my point very well.

The course fee and the book fee are seperate. The procedes from the book fee (after printing, etc) do go to the AHA, which is why they are so fanatical about 1 book per student and even require each student to have a book in class. (It is on the regional faculty evaluation form of programs) That does generate money to help pay the AHA and their ability to operate.

The class fee goes to pay me. (and other instructors) The videos are quite boring, and poorly made so if I have to babysit through it, I want some money for it. The equipment also needs repaired/replaced, and consumables refilled.
 
Good points Vene et al

I still personally hold my hypotheses because I see the administrative overheads and have witnessed CPR started when the pt was not even pulseless:rolleyes:. I have witnessed the micturation contests between ARC (who has not been in the conversations here) and AHA for decades.

Good instructors need good pay, and equip does need renovation etc. However, such practices as signing a noncompetition clause (and also stating I would only buy ARC materials whenever I teach) when I went to the ARC a couple years ago to get my cert are signs of the underlying malaise.

(250 a minute. Get someone out to start MY CPR).

Someone/something needs to be created or called in from outside the usual list of suspects, take the whole thing by the nape of the neck and shake it until the jujubees fall out, as NHSTA did long ago when the health dept's and AMA couldn't get it together. Organizations cannot help becoming more inbred and conservative with time, and the result is gilded lillies, people defending their turf instead of meeting the mission, and longer/more intricate SOP's, protocols, manuals etc. We need a "Unified Theory of EMS".
 
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