Man claims shooting victim waited too long for aid

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It sounds to me like they got there as quickly as the situation allowed, and the dispatch times back that up. The location is at the far end of town, probably a couple miles from the hospital. In addition, PD had a foot chase/suicide threat going on at the same time with the shooter. On the creepy side, this McDonald's was my very first real job many years ago :unsure:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/aid_delayed_to_man_shot_at_mcd.html
 
I enjoy reading the comments, god the public is ignorant! They did what they could, the standoff was less than 1/2 mile from the scene. I wouldn't have gone in anyways, I'd be staged, probably up the road at Burger King............
 
well, it may not be quick for there, I dont really know. but I do know that where I work, that would have been an awesome response time, if you get hurt in the county, you are waiting about 15 min at least, with no first response, unless we are at full service level, then it averages about ten. On top of that we stage on all violent crimes and of course domestics, until the police say its clear, and sometime that is a while also
 
Shame, the EMS does not discuss and educate the reporter that EMS personal can get shot too. I am sure if they had rushed in, the reporter would have blasted that as well.

R/r 911
 
The job continues on to educate the public on scene safety for everyone.... "Because of the stupidity of others we stay gainfully employed!"
My old paramedic superviser B)
 
The response time sounds VERY good for a shooting with the actor NOT in custody and on the run... I wouldn't have been too comfortable going in to that scene... espicially since it sounds like there might not have been PD onsite.


I think the OTHER big shame is that
There is a fire station about 1,500 feet from the restaurant, but there was no ambulance at that station, Gilman said.
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Wow. I find it intresting that no one is upset that the firefighters didn't respond to the McDonalds down the road. If it is a paid department, they ALL are probably at least MFR's!
 
Actually, the FD was on scene soon after the shooting, but they don't have transport capability on the engines. Some residents apparently felt that PD/FD/EMS should have known that a maniac was going to start popping rounds off and had units sitting at the corner. Sheesh...
 
Tincanfireman said:
Actually, the FD was on scene soon after the shooting, but they don't have transport capability on the engines. Some residents apparently felt that PD/FD/EMS should have known that a maniac was going to start popping rounds off and had units sitting at the corner. Sheesh...
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Um... if the guy expired after waiting onscene for 5 minutes, he was going to die no matter what.
 
Absolutely, and the "Sheesh" was directed at those who complained that the response was too slow. I have to take a minute and brag on the public safety response in my hometown; if you need help, the response is usually immediate and overwhelming. The city is only 5.5 square miles, unfortunately the primary response route was currently being resurfaced (the street was all torn up) and the secondary route was blocked by the nut who had just done the shooting and who was standing on a railroad overpass. From what I've heard from friends still in town, they got there as fast as they could given the conditions.
 
I was at the grocery store when someone started bashing our local medics over a similar incident. The tone out was from the patient's soon-to-be-ex wife. She reported him violent, depressed, HBD, possibly abusing prescription pain killers and oh yeah.. 'heavily armed and threatening suicide'

The cops waited untiil they could insure scene safety for themselves and medical personell. They used one of those remote control camera things to search the house and found the guy face down and apparently unconscious. At that polint, they allowed EMS to enter the residence.

Apparently the guy had been down for quite some time. He was heavily 'medicated' and had passed out on his left arm cutting off the circulation to the arm. The outcome was he lost the arm. Impaired circulation due to the drugs compounded with the time he spent with his full body weight on it on a hard floor led to the arm requiring amputation.

The grocery store conversation centered around the needless loss of this guy's arm due to the Police and EMS 'letting him just sit there for hours, suffering'. instead of 'doing their jobs and saving him'.... now.. maybe it was because my hubby was one of the medics on that particular call.. I was in my civies, no identifying insignia of any kind... so I asked the clerk and her customer if she felt that my husband's life and the lives of the cops were less valuable than the pt's. I told her the problems the patient had were the result of him taking a handful of pills, swilling it down with a large volume of alcohol ( all info in the paper and public knowledge) combined with whatever emotional problems he may also have. He merely suffered the full consequences of his actions rather than having EMS and Law Enforcement mitiate those consequences for him.

While I am very sorry that this guy suffered the way he did, the culpability lies with his choices, his actions, not the timing, procedures, practices of those who tried to undo what he had done to himself.
 
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